Salary for a corporate pilot in this case...

[Rhetro]

Ouch.

points taken -constructive or otherwise

moving right along...

Let's just say the loyalty issue is of paramount importance. This isn't JUST about flying and there are numerous factors that I won't go into.

As for the ones touched upon, I'm sorry for being vague. Let me be a little more specific:

You are correct in that the cp keeps things under his thumb and makes no hint as to what he brings in salary wise. However the cp has mentioned that he has gotten a raise, but it was 7 years ago when I came on. The cp formed the flight dept 12 years ago and I'm his 3rd FO. The flight dept is small: The CP and myself.

I have received an annual increase for every year I've been here.

Sorry about the after taxes remark -that doesn't make much sense. I make $57,000 a year period. We fly an average of 130 hrs a year. Not married, no dependants. Living in TX.

I was typed in the Beechjet 400 in March of this year. The company was in the market for helicopter so they began my training in an R22. They finally purchased a Bell 206 and I completed my training in the 206 back in July of this year. Like the Beechjet, it is used for company pt 91 purposes. Same situation as the jet with not much stick time.

The CP knows that I intend to talk to the boss and actually offered to talk to him on my behalf. I told him thanks but that I needed to talk to the boss myself. But you're right, going behind his back wouldn't have been the prudent thing to do.

There have been no contracts signed at any time during my employment.

The pilot survey is my next step. Thought I'd give this a shot and get some feedback.

I hope this offers a clearer picture.

thanks in advance.

 

[BoilerUP]

The Chief Pilot needs to let you fly both aircraft.

 

[400A]

The Chief Pilot needs to let you fly both aircraft.

Got that right. We alternate legs.....NO EXCEPTIONS!

 

[400A]

Good luck with the owner.

It may be that the company only alows for an SIC, and not 2 PIC's. If that is the companys position and now we know that you have gotten cost of living increases, then I do not think they are out of line at $57K. It sounds like the position simply has no room for advancement. This is the reason I lost my last Co-Captain of 6.5 years. He was paid on book scale as a PIC and we also only fly 125 hours per year, but he is young and there was nowhere for him to advance his career. He got a great opportunity, gave 2 months notice, left in excellent standing with the company and we still use him as a back up pilot to this day. This is how you may need to handle your situation. Do not burn a bridge. You were very wise to get your CP's support.

 

[G100driver]

Have you asked the CP why you cannot fly legs?

You might gain some insite as to his mentality. Either he is a control or there is something else there that you are missing.

 

[Rhetro]

The cp is basically insecure about someone taking his job, and keeping the FO's experience down, keeps the threat down. He's an ex fighter pilot so he's use to doing everything himself anyway. Maintaining a low, non-agressive profile with the cp (despite what he does or doesn't do) keeps things on an even keel -remember I have to work with this guy. This is more common with small flight depts than people realize. Recently he has been giving me every other leg so better late than never. I just hope this this becomes the norm rather than the exception. But again, the aviation side of it is only part of the big picture.
I'm glad someone out there sees it. Maintaining a loyal relationship with the boss is again, of utmost importance and I believe that all this will end up playing out in my favor. Let's just say that there are other non-aviation business oportunities with the company that look VERY lucrative. It's been worth the wait. Again, I'm merely asking for some advice on asking for a raise. It wouldn't be wise to go in there unprepared. A good majority of people in these forums have gone through this experience. I'm just trying to tap some off this knowlege.
I've already gotten a 2007 salrary survey for both fixed and rotor wing. My goal is to go over the numbers and come up with a figure that I think is fair to me, and won't insult the boss. Man, there is a lot of data there! The book on negotiating is a great idea. Any book in particular?

I'm planning on visiting with the boss this week.

thanks in advance.

 

[blzr]

The cp is basically insecure about someone taking his job, and keeping the FO's experience down, keeps the threat down. He's an ex fighter pilot so he's use to doing everything himself anyway. Maintaining a low, non-agressive profile with the cp (despite what he does or doesn't do) keeps things on an even keel -remember I have to work with this guy. This is more common with small flight depts than people realize. Recently he has been giving me every other leg so better late than never. I just hope this this becomes the norm rather than the exception. But again, the aviation side of it is only part of the big picture.
I'm glad someone out there sees it. Maintaining a loyal relationship with the boss is again, of utmost importance and I believe that all this will end up playing out in my favor. Let's just say that there are other non-aviation business oportunities with the company that look VERY lucrative. It's been worth the wait. Again, I'm merely asking for some advice on asking for a raise. It wouldn't be wise to go in there unprepared. A good majority of people in these forums have gone through this experience. I'm just trying to tap some off this knowlege.
I've already gotten a 2007 salrary survey for both fixed and rotor wing. My goal is to go over the numbers and come up with a figure that I think is fair to me, and won't insult the boss. Man, there is a lot of data there! The book on negotiating is a great idea. Any book in particular?

I'm planning on visiting with the boss this week.

thanks in advance.

I know alot of CP's are like that, especially in small flt depts. It's a shame, really.

 

[Bullitt]

I agree with the above. Good luck with your decision and let us know how it goes!:beer:

 

[Rhetro]

To those who share with optimism and support:

Thanks! You're advice is greatly appreciated. I'll let you know...

God Bless.

p.s.

Floyd rules!

 

[TXGold]

the whole situation sounds pathetic. grow some balls.

+1. Grow up man!

 

[TXGold]

Okay, I should have read to the end. The Floyd rules comment gave it away. I got punked...
BTW Floyd does Rule.

 

[Bullitt]

Floyd most definitely rules!!