Ryanair, Easyjet questions re: contracts

[skyaddict]

Hi all,
I thought all Ryanair crews were Irish (being an Irish airline) and likewise, all Easyjet crews were British. Kind of like Aer Lingus and British Airways.

Can someone clear it up for me?

Thanks,
73

The European Union has a single, EU-wide job market.

 

[aa73]

Thanks again.

So, is a job with BA kind of like winning the lottery, hired at a major int'l airline... or are jobs with EZY/RYA more attractive?

 

[Dumb Pilot]

Those are still LLC jobs with sub par work rules and smaller a/c's although they do pay well, specially when compared to the ridiculous salaries here in the U.S. but you will work very hard for your money at both EYZ/RYA. The job at BA has better work rules, qol and variety of a/c's and route structure

 

[aa73]

Thanks DP. And thanks everyone else for the replies. Guess I'll stay at AA, lol.

 

[TDK90]

You can't transfer the FAA type rating to a JAA one - or not until you have EXTENSIVE experience and take a 'skills test' in the aircraft.

Not strictly true, I'm in the process of doing it right now. If you have sufficient experience on type, you can just take the JAA checkride with no prior JAA training. It can all be done in the simulator as well. Each JAA member state has different rules about it though, I'm just quoting the UK method. Of course you need to pass all 14 written exams first....

As far as EZY and RYN are concerned they're a good bet if you have lots of money and no experience, experienced guys generally stay away until these type of airlines can't get enough warm bodies and are then forced to hire real FOs and pay them appropriately.

 

[Smash312]

Not strictly true, I'm in the process of doing it right now. If you have sufficient experience on type, you can just take the JAA checkride with no prior JAA training. It can all be done in the simulator as well. Each JAA member state has different rules about it though, I'm just quoting the UK method. Of course you need to pass all 14 written exams first....

As far as EZY and RYN are concerned they're a good bet if you have lots of money and no experience, experienced guys generally stay away until these type of airlines can't get enough warm bodies and are then forced to hire real FOs and pay them appropriately.

If you have 'sufficient experience' you can just take the checkride with no prior training. Well, in that case you will have to hire the aircraft in which you are rated in. That will cost LOADS. Then you will have to pay for the UK CAA to come and sit in on the checkride. If this is done in a simulator in the US, the CAA will only travel first class (which you will have to pay for) and then you'll have to put them up in a 4 star minimum hotel. You're right, it can be done like this. But lets not kid anyone - it's not cheap. By the time you spend this type of money, you'll find it'll be cheaper to just do the checkride in a piston aircraft. I hate it how people make this part of the process sound 'easy'. It can be - but then it's not cost effective.

So to re cap - unless you have sufficient experience and the money to hire the aircraft (CRJ/737 etc) (or sim - that is JAA certified) and pay for the CAA examiner to join you wherever in the world you are (by paying first class and top accommodation) then you can do it.

I am in the process of doing it right now and trust me, they don't make the flying part/sim part any easier. And not just 'any sim' will do for the checkride. So no, you can't use the $5k 737 sim in Miami, you have to use the JAA Certified $20k 737 sim. You know why? Because it's better. Again - hear the sarcasm.

 

[flyburg]

If you have 'sufficient experience' you can just take the checkride with no prior training. Well, in that case you will have to hire the aircraft in which you are rated in. That will cost LOADS. Then you will have to pay for the UK CAA to come and sit in on the checkride. If this is done in a simulator in the US, the CAA will only travel first class (which you will have to pay for) and then you'll have to put them up in a 4 star minimum hotel. You're right, it can be done like this. But lets not kid anyone - it's not cheap. By the time you spend this type of money, you'll find it'll be cheaper to just do the checkride in a piston aircraft. I hate it how people make this part of the process sound 'easy'. It can be - but then it's not cost effective.

So to re cap - unless you have sufficient experience and the money to hire the aircraft (CRJ/737 etc) (or sim - that is JAA certified) and pay for the CAA examiner to join you wherever in the world you are (by paying first class and top accommodation) then you can do it.

I am in the process of doing it right now and trust me, they don't make the flying part/sim part any easier. And not just 'any sim' will do for the checkride. So no, you can't use the $5k 737 sim in Miami, you have to use the JAA Certified $20k 737 sim. You know why? Because it's better. Again - hear the sarcasm.

all this is completely true, However, it works the other way around as well. I have a US ATP as well as a JAA ATP. on the JAA ATP, I have a 737 PIC Type rating. It is not possible to get that on my FAA ATP.

I have been led to believe that by filing out some paperwork I can get a FAA SIC VFR rating on my FAA license but in order to get a full FAA 737 type I'd have to do a full US course. If my information is incorrect, please let me know. I would love to have a 737 type on my FAA license without having to go all the loops.

then again, I don't think this is possible. Also a little bit of sarcasm, but why is my JAA type not good enough for the FAA? is their training (FAA)any better? Also, could I even get a FAA designated examiner to go to Europe and sit in on a OPS check?

I think not.

 

[TDK90]

If you have 'sufficient experience' you can just take the checkride with no prior training. Well, in that case you will have to hire the aircraft in which you are rated in. That will cost LOADS. Then you will have to pay for the UK CAA to come and sit in on the checkride. If this is done in a simulator in the US, the CAA will only travel first class (which you will have to pay for) and then you'll have to put them up in a 4 star minimum hotel. You're right, it can be done like this. But lets not kid anyone - it's not cheap. By the time you spend this type of money, you'll find it'll be cheaper to just do the checkride in a piston aircraft. I hate it how people make this part of the process sound 'easy'. It can be - but then it's not cost effective.

So to re cap - unless you have sufficient experience and the money to hire the aircraft (CRJ/737 etc) (or sim - that is JAA certified) and pay for the CAA examiner to join you wherever in the world you are (by paying first class and top accommodation) then you can do it.

I am in the process of doing it right now and trust me, they don't make the flying part/sim part any easier. And not just 'any sim' will do for the checkride. So no, you can't use the $5k 737 sim in Miami, you have to use the JAA Certified $20k 737 sim. You know why? Because it's better. Again - hear the sarcasm.

If you're doing it right now as well you've obviosly read LASORS G.1.5, you don't have to hire an aircraft at all, just the sim. So for me it's a couple of hours in a CRJ sim in Germany or Spain, not cheap but not as expensive as doing a JAA ME CPL IR. I don't know what your experience is, but you are right in that you have to pay a bucket load of cash to the CAA just o come and watch...

 

[HOURBUILDER]

hi

So you are saying that it is not required to pass the JAA written test if you have sufficient experience?
Can you please tell me what is that minimum experience to convert your FAA license to a JAA license through a single checkride.
I have both US and EU passport.

Thanks

 

[typhoonpilot]

hi

So you are saying that it is not required to pass the JAA written test if you have sufficient experience?
Can you please tell me what is that minimum experience to convert your FAA license to a JAA license through a single checkride.
I have both US and EU passport.

Thanks

I believe you'd still have to take at least two of the written exams plus a checkride. This is when you have 1500 PIC international time in a suitable jet transport aircraft.


Typhoonpilot