Runway Incursion...

[wscrj]

relieftube...PSA in SAN, about 1977-78.....

Kudos to the MESA crew, great job.

 

[Dubya]

I bet even if an airliner hits a 172 on the runway going 120, the 172 gets obliterated but the airliner escapes without blowing up. Like hitting a cardboard box on the highway.

If youre on a country road and you are forced to decide between hitting a deer or an oncoming truck, you hit the deer........I'd consider plowing through a 172 instead of lifting off early and stalling OR swerving and sticking a wing in the ground. There's 50 plus of us, and only 1 of him.

Please...PLEASE tell me there is a cessna "121" out there that you are the "Captain" of. You are not a Part 121 Captain. No. I can't...I refuse to believe it. God help your ______ (parents/boyfriend/poodle.)

W = Whamboozeled (sp?)

 

[Soverytired]

I bet even if an airliner hits a 172 on the runway going 120, the 172 gets obliterated but the airliner escapes without blowing up. Like hitting a cardboard box on the highway.

If youre on a country road and you are forced to decide between hitting a deer or an oncoming truck, you hit the deer........I'd consider plowing through a 172 instead of lifting off early and stalling OR swerving and sticking a wing in the ground. There's 50 plus of us, and only 1 of him.

WOW.

I've heard of armchair quaterbacking, OFMG.

Ramming a CRJ into a C-172 wing full of av-gas and ingesting the fuel and disintegrating parts into two CF-34 engines that are (presumably) operating in max reverse is like "running into a cardboard box on the highway?"

Uh, no thanks. I don't think I'd EVER consider a collision the better of several bad choices. That's just me though.

 

[GEORGE DUBYA]

They did good they didn't hit the other plane and nobody died end of story. I can't believe the Monday morning quarterbacking. Crap happens and they reacted the right way and who said hit the plane that is the stupidest response I ever heard.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

The Mesa crew saw the Cessna ahead on the runway and aborted the takeoff at about 120 knots, swerving around the Cessna.

The Mesa crew estimated that they missed colliding with the Cessna by about 10 feet.

Gutsiest move I ever saw.

(10 points for Top Gun reference)

 

[BLing]

Maybe Myth Busters can do a show on the outcome of a CRJ hitting a 172. Im sure they can find a nice sacraficial CRJ to throw Buster in soon enough!

 

[SLUF4]

Sounds sort of similar to this one:
On August 28, 2008, at approximately 9:07 pm Pacific daylight time, a runway incursion occurred involving N9219T, a Piper PA-46, and SkyWest (SKW) flight 69R, a Canadair CRJ2 at Fresno Yosemite International Airport, Fresno, California. At the time of the incident a single controller was in the tower cab (developmental controller--certified on all tower positions and one position in the radar facility), responsible for 3 aircraft. The PA-46 landed on runway 29R and was unable to exit the runway on high speed taxiway B3 so the pilot continued to taxiway B5, an unlit taxiway. The tower controller saw the aircraft's landing light veer toward the taxiway so he cleared the CRJ to land on 29R. PA46 was still on the runway, the CRJ pilot saw the PA46 and went to the right side of the runway to miss the PA-46. The CRJ pilot reported they missed colliding by 15 feet, wingtip to wingtip.

The incident occurred during night visual meteorological conditions with 10 miles visibility.

 

[kf4amu]

Took of runway 6 in ABE today, the skid marks on the runway are pretty gnarly. Bout 300-400 yards of skid marks swerving left just prior to Bravo. They got within 10 feet of the edge of the runway.

I had my doubts, but it seems the crew did a great job to keep it out of the dirt and off the Cessna.

 

[Turtlesfly]

I had a controlled do something like this the other day. We were at a taxi speed on the runway, but still a ways from our turnoff. The controller cleared someone else for T/O, while the runway was ours. That needs to change.

Don't fly in DCA much, do you?

 

[Mickey]

Do people still "clear right" and "clear left" before entering a runway? Situational awareness? Did they hear the Cessna's radio call about wanting to take a different exit? Remember the crew at KPVD that refused a takeoff clearance because of a lost UA flight. That was great SA. We can't simply listen to our call sign and the controller. We should always be trying to figure out what is happening around us. It's amazing to me when I ask the FO about another a/c of concern's position and they have no idea the a/c even exists. I know they have a lot to listen to. Are we still looking at crossing runways when we takeoff or land at KORD. We need to look out for ourselves.

 

[callowayhd]

I bet even if an airliner hits a 172 on the runway going 120, the 172 gets obliterated but the airliner escapes without blowing up. Like hitting a cardboard box on the highway.

If youre on a country road and you are forced to decide between hitting a deer or an oncoming truck, you hit the deer........I'd consider plowing through a 172 instead of lifting off early and stalling OR swerving and sticking a wing in the ground. There's 50 plus of us, and only 1 of him.

you cannot compare a car driving down a country road to a crj taking off a runway

the same way you cannot compare a cardboard box to a 172

here's your sign

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

you cannot compare a car driving down a country road to a crj taking off a runway

the same way you cannot compare a cardboard box to a 172

here's your sign

Agreed!

Deer on a country road are not typically filled with highly explosive avgas.

What a dumda$$.

 

[Singlecoil]

Ok, after finally finding the airport diagram and looking at it, I'm having a hard time understanding how this happens. This had nothing to do with intersecting runways or LAHSO. As the cessna crossed the threshold, the RJ was put in position on the same runway that the cessna was landing on. The cessna was told to take A4, but didn't. So it was still on the runway the RJ was cleared to takeoff on and attempting to exit at B which was about 3000 feet from the threshold.
How can you advance the throttles and take off on a runway with a plane at your 12 o'clock, 3000 feet in front of you? Something must have been distracting the RJ crew for them to totally lose SA like this.

 

[SLUF4]

Could have been a slope in the runway preventing them from seeing the Cessna. Maybe the Cessna's lights weren't on or just merged with the other lights-cessna nav lights aren't that big and maybe he didn't have strobes or taxi lights on. The point is that a multitude of things could have caused this and not just one person is at fault.

 

[BLing]

We can't simply listen to our call sign and the controller. We should always be trying to figure out what is happening around us. It's amazing to me when I ask the FO about another a/c of concern's position and they have no idea the a/c even exists. I know they have a lot to listen to. Are we still looking at crossing runways when we takeoff or land at KORD. We need to look out for ourselves.

I agree 100%. Its easy to loose SA in the radar environment. Its handholding at its finest. Most of my flying the past 2 yrs has been bouncing around overseas in the non radar environment where the English language is an issue for most. Transponders also seem to be optional for some carriers... You have no choice but to play ATC from the cockpit if you want to be safe. Even in the radar environment people make mistakes (as in the topic of this thread) which makes it a good idea to know whats going on!

 

[Jack Mehoff]

This has always been an issue I had with the PHX tower guys. They clear a cactus/SWA for take off and ask if you have it in sight. you say yes. They then clear you for take off. At this point the Cactus is just starting to roll down the runway.
I would hold in position until the Airbus/737 was off the ground before hitt'n the power. Tower is bitch'n at us to get going. Now if the Cactus had a RTO and we were rolling when ATC cleared us, we'd rear end em. So I see this as a wide spread ATC problem that might need looking into.

Anyone else who's spend some time in and out of PHX has also seen this practice.