rumors from both NWA and DAL about 717

[Cobraair75drvr]

Ouch. Thats gonna leave a mark

More irony!

Had you bothered to show up for your job when you were elected by your fellow pilots to ALPA office, perhaps your declaration would have some relevance.

You didn't.

It doesn't.

Perhaps if you'd put one-tenth the effort into your ALPA duties as you did suing your fellow pilots, your "I won't help!" sentiment would have some impact.

 

[jetflier]

Soooo,

Getting back to the origional question of the thread, "is NWA/DAL aquiring 717's" ?

 

[Occam's Razor]

Soooo,

Getting back to the origional question of the thread, "is NWA/DAL aquiring 717's" ?

Until you see a B717 towbar at your gate...don't believe it.

The "100-seater" isn't settled. Anderson is gonna leverage all the manufacturers he can...starting with Boeing over the B787 delays.

 

[Ty Webb]

If AirTrans gets 717's, it could be to free up 737's for sale.

Rumor, innuendos . . . Film at 11


TW

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Quite true and the folks in Canada need a North American Launch customer for the C-90.

 

[~~~^~~~]

If AirTrans gets 717's, it could be to free up 737's for sale.

Rumor, innuendos . . . Film at 11

TW

Are they going to do anything to increase the 717's range? I thought it was realistically a 1,200nm jet. For comparison the 737-700 is 5,500 miles. Wouldn't replacing the 737 limit AirTran's ability to fly trans-con's out of Atlanta?

Seems like it would be straightforward to add fuel capacity using the MD80's configuration, and I know there was talk of a 717-300 before Boeing pulled the plug on Long Beach.

The 717 is a nice product for the pax. IFE would make it a better product for longer legs.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

More irony!

Had you bothered to show up for your job when you were elected by your fellow pilots to ALPA office, perhaps your declaration would have some relevance.

You didn't.

It doesn't.

Perhaps if you'd put one-tenth the effort into your ALPA duties as you did suing your fellow pilots, your "I won't help!" sentiment would have some impact.

Zing! But then again, the rjdc motto, "sue if you can't get what you want."

 

[ACL65PILOT]

FWIW Midex is putting first class seats back in their jets by the fall. It will be configured like all other airlines. They are terming it Midwest Class.

 

[flyipilot]

Well the rumor over here on concourse C is that up to 25 additional 717's have been added to our certificate. The captain I am flying with knows some Airtran FAA guy that claims the rumor is true. Also there have been numerous articles claiming Boeing will do everything they can to keep Airtran alive, including extremely cheap leases on 717's that are becoming available. (Airtran leases 77 717's from Boeing) Unless there we a significant amount of 717's available, I wouldn't think it would be a benfefit a non 717 carrier (Delta/NWA).

Boeing does not give a rats ass if Airtran stays alive or dies. They have their own problems and they make FAR MORE money in the government and foreign market than what a tiny non profitable airline in Atlanta can do.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Flyi,

Despite your post being an unwarranted insult, you are correct that Boeing is not focused on their US customers. Right now the money is in the big airplanes being sold to rapidly expanding Mid East carriers (much of which makes no economic sense) and beating AirBus in the developing nations. While every customer is important, US business is planned to be less than an third of their order book. It also appears Boeing is willing to cede the 100 to 130 seat market under the concept that small airplanes = small profits.

I remember when Ford's mantra was small cars = small profits. Now they are on the path to bankruptcy and Toyota is the World's largest manufacturer.

Boeing is teaching the Japanese how to build the most critical airframe components and having to deal with quality control problems due to the outsourcing to every corner of the globe.

Boeing designs a great product, but they seem less interested in actually building it.

 

[skystud25]

717 Huh? Well, it would be better to be displaced into one of those than a DC-9. Bring em' on!

 

[scarlet]

Transcon and Intl cost a company alot of money !!!

 

[scarlet]

yeah you guys think the new DL will keep over 12,000 pilots?

Do you guys think DL is going to fly over 1500 aircraft? That is with all the DCI Carriers?

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

No I don't. However, I think that the largest fleet reductions will come from the small lift, ie crj,embs but offset with adding 76 seaters up to the cap. Who flys those is the question. And I don't mean us or outsourced. That is a given. I mean a probable shrinking of comair and growing of peanuckle, mesabi, compost or even throwing republic into the mix. The one thing the mainline has going for it is at least we will have some retirements in the first few years(my guess is about half to 3/4s of the guys will not go to 65) followed by alot of retirements once we get past the first 5 years and normal retirements kick in.

yeah you guys think the new DL will keep over 12,000 pilots?

Do you guys think DL is going to fly over 1500 aircraft? That is with all the DCI Carriers?

 

[likeitis]

Each "unit" is made up of pilots that want their airline to succeed. This means other airlines wont succeed. It's the free market. There is no job guarantee in any industry even heavily unionized industries.

How would you handle the pilots of a dying airline that is selling its aircraft or goes chapter 7 or is no longer competitive and must shrink.

Pretty easy. The plumbers, steamfitters and insulators in my family seem to be a little more intelligent than this "pilot". They put everyone on the "bench" in seniority order and when a job is available at one of the union shops, of which 90+% are union, the most senior person gets it. From my observation the companies like airlines don't shut down because of lack of work, its because of piss poor management. The tradesmen are almost always picked up immediately by another company. My brother was layed off about 2 months ago (the company went under because the owners gambling habit) and he had calls from other companies in exactly 12 minutes. How is this done? The union immediately called every employer and notified them that he along with others were being layed off. The people on the bench can't push junior people out of their job but when a job is available the job goes to the most senior tradesmen who is available to work.

This would never happen with us because ALPA is spineless and only cares for it's image. They are handcuffed by always following the law and ethics in an environment where their adversary doesn't play by the rules. Well folks this isn't a after school special where the good guy always wins.