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Rollout Schedule for Netjets Phenom 300s?

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I think I saw a Phenom 300 in Netjets colors a few days ago (callsign Execjet 300?) at EGE. Nice looking airplane.

So, are they already operating on the line for Netjets fractaional customers? Or are they doing test flights or demo flights for current customers?

Are we going to see mass numbers arriving soon or stretched out over years? What is the rollout shedule for the Phenom 300? How many arriving this year vs. next year? Also, are they basically replacing the Beechjet, Encore and XLS over time (phased out as Phenoms arrive)?

Again, nice looking airplane and pretty versatile from what I have heard from Phenom pilots I encounter at the FBOs.
 
300QS is a demo plane our pilots are flying around. Demo vs ours will be the same except the avionics. Two a month starting in April till the end of the year. After that it depends on sales. The 300 replaces the ultra, encore, encore+, and beechjet.
 
If your customers can't wait to get into a Phenom 300 send them over to Flight Options they have around 15 already and have been operating them for almost 2 years now.
 
jetwash said:
If your customers can't wait to get into a Phenom 300 send them over to Flight Options they have around 15 already and have been operating them for almost 2 years now.
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technically that could work, but Netjets is a much better operation with far superior pilots.
 
The demo model is doing more owner flights than demos. New owners get it or the Excel so they are flying as many as possible in the demo 300. Since management hasn't said anything about a replacement for the Excel, my guess is the Phenom and the Latitude will split those owners unless some new bird comes along that is so good it must be bought (rather unlikely).
 
The Latitude is not the same category as the Excell. It's the largest cabin Cessna has ever made. I'll bet the Phenom will eventually replace the Excell, but it is certainly replacing the Ultra, Encore, Encore+, and 400XP.

So far my predictions have been close, except for the Challenger 605 purchase. That caught everyone by surprise. I'll make another prediction, for what it's worth.

The Latitude was simply a carrot thrown at Cessna to keep them in the game, after the decision to add Bombardier and Embraer to our fleet. It really has no place, evidenced by our desire to streamline the fleet-a smart move. It would be more prudent to buy more CE680s-a very popular jet.

I'll bet we're playing the OEM game, and exchange the Latitude orders for the new TEN, and exchange the 605 orders for a product yet to be developed. The 300 may be a bit smaller than our old Falcons, but will do until Bombardier comes up with something new, or Dassualt decides to price right. In any case I bet we're down to 7 types in the next ten years. Duplication of effort and emotional/impetuous purchases will no longer drive our decisions-I hope.
 
The Latitude may very well replace the 680, the 800, 900, some Ten and some Excels if we get them. It's price is about the same as the Hawkers and about half way between the XLS + and the 680. It will go 2500 miles and have a nice big cabin. Maybe we don't end up taking any, but if we do I think it will be a big and popular fleet. Time will tell.
 
I don't mean to bring Avantair into this thread, they're already getting beat up pretty good. On that Avantair discussion, a couple of people said "Avantair is not a direct competitor of Netjets"

Well I disagree... Their CEO likes to compare his Avanti aircraft to the light jets Netjets and other frax operate. He claims his Avanti bird is far more fuel efficient and just as comfortable as the Beechjet, light Cessans and Phenom 300. He said several people left or will leave the Netjets' light-jet program for him.

If that ain't direct competition, I don't know what is
 
Saw the EMB-300 at Teterboro last week. If any of the NJer's actually read the Fall Owners Update that just came out, it had listings of a whirlwind, coast-to-coast, static demo tour in 7-8 cities over the past week or so.

Advanced share sales of the aircraft have been reported as.....

Wait for it.....


Phenomenal.


Badump-bump. :D
 
Pervis said:
I'll bet we're playing the OEM game, and exchange the Latitude orders for the new TEN,
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Ten pilots are the only ones that think the company will die without a Ten. The decision has been made. Sorry but it's over, no Ten.

Ten and Gulfstream guys sound the same. "The company is doomed without our plane".
 
They seem to be the ones that ".....talk to the owner...." about this or that "....all the time". :laugh:

I keed I keed, sort of.
 
208starcheck said:
Ten pilots are the only ones that think the company will die without a Ten. The decision has been made. Sorry but it's over, no Ten.

Ten and Gulfstream guys sound the same. "The company is doomed without our plane".
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Never said we're doomed without it. A very prominent comedian went to the boss irate that we were disposing of the X's. Another asked me several years ago about the SSBJ, and when I said it would cost at least $100 million, he didn't even blink and said he'd buy one. Image is a huge thing to some, whether it's for bragging rights or the illusion of time versus money. The fact is we cater to those where image is very important. We'll get the Ten.
 
Aww give Pervis a break, he has weekly sit-ins with Uncle Warren, Jordan and Noe.....:beer:


There will always be those guys, at every company, who are absolutely positive they are in the loop at all times
 
BentOver said:
Aww give Pervis a break, he has weekly sit-ins with Uncle Warren, Jordan and Noe.....:beer:


There will always be those guys, at every company, who are absolutely positive they are in the loop at all times
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Certainly not in the the loop, and only an opinion. Something you fail to differentiate from.

Frankly, I don't care what I fly so long as it pays the bills. I am in a disposal fleet, but will transition when appropriate to a C172 if my pay stays the same. It's one hotel to the other, regardless of how far it is between the two. There is nothing in the civilian inventory that will exceed my military experience, and your feeble attempts to insult me carry as little weight as you groin.
 
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208starcheck said:
Ten pilots are the only ones that think the company will die without a Ten.

Ten and Gulfstream guys sound the same. "The company is doomed without our plane".
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I could not agree more.

the Gulfstream guys are even worst, I've talked to a few about that, " OH MY LORD, why did we switch from Gulfstreams to Globals, may God have mercy on our souls, we're done"
 
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not bad looking, looks better than the barbie jet (BE400)

http://jetphotos.net/viewphoto.php?id=7464874&nseq=0
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Wow - that is a pretty looking airplane. Probably much better performance than the Beechjunk or Encore... :D

Hope the interior and finish is nicer than my beat-up ERJ. :laugh::p I know Netjets is touting the "Signature Series" with new interior, etc. Speaking with a corporate pilot recently who flew a Phenom 300 demo airplane, he was not impressed with the "plastic" feel of the flight deck. I think his company ended going with a CJ3 or CJ4.
 
I tend to agree about the X. I flew several owners who bought the airplane solely because of the speed. Whether or not they'll leave the program solely because of it going away I can't say. Considering NJA continues to shrink at 7% per month / quarter / whatever time measure they're using, I think it short sighted not to keep something that retains owners in the program. It only helps to extend that 2015 time frame I'm hearing for recalls.
 
Difference between the G and the Globals is the they both do the same thing in the same price category. Right now there isn't anything in the midsize that has the speed of the X. Customers will decide what NJA buys.
 
I didn't know plains moved.

Isn't the TEN supposed to be one millionth of a mach number faster than the 650?

BTW, I don't know many pilots who gave a rats ass about the speed. It's the owners who do. The extra speed just means we're flying more recoveries with PO'ed owners than the other guys.
 

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