"Roar from 44" on ASA travel benefits

[Puck Mugger]

I take ASA pretty frequently and have never felt anything less than 100% safe on your flights.

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

 

[PCL_128]

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

I think the a$$hole is the guy who can't take a compliment.

 

[outtahere]

I think the a$$hole is the guy who can't take a compliment.

I am assuming you work for Peanuckle so why don't you butt out of the conversation and worry about trying to fix your pos contract.

 

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You are right, I don't believe DAL mainline employees should bump contract carriers off their own planes with regards to DOH. A DL mainline employee should come behind an ASA employee (regardless of seniority) when on an ASA flight, and vice versa on a DL mainline. I can see where DCI employees would be upset with this. I know I would.
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Actually, this would hurt all the Delta commuters that ride ASA to work. We carry a bunch of them, often they are 10% of our pax count. I could not believe it, but one of your senior stews brought us Turkey sandwiches on Thanksgiving, which we really appreciated. Darn considerate of her.

If ASA loses its current status with Delta, I'm fairly certain anything that flies under DL code will be affected similarly.

 

[tuna pimp]

Guess we know who has the better business model, huh?

Last time I checked ASA was pretty much 100% dependant on DL for survival. Not sure I'd call that a rock solid business model there either.

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

I did mean it as a compliment. I like ASA. Sorry to have gotten your little panties into a bunch there chachi.

Do you actually have any sort of meaningful point to make here? Or do you just like to sit anonymously behind your computer and take cheap shots so you can feel like a big man?

 

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Tuna Pimp:

An irrelevant point to this thread, but SkyWest negotiated rights to use the ATL gates for other airlines and other code. There are also other indications that SkyWest is thinking of a post DL scenario if it comes to that.

Certainly DL is a great partner for ASA. But, if you recall, ASA was around & profitable since long before the DL code share agreement.

Also, everyone acts like ASA came up and stole a $20 blowing around the ramp because we make a profit out of our partnership with Delta. Delta AirLines has the superior negotiating position and has more or less dictated the terms of our codeshare contract. Several times in the past, those terms have been harsh. For one, when ASA was bought Delta made it clear to investors who hoped to profit on the deal that ASA's contract would be chopped if the sale wasn't consumated for what Delta wanted to pay.

ASA has always been a fairly brutal place where employees are regularly sacrificed on the pyre of cost savings. It may not be a daisy farm, but it has been consistently profitable....

 

[tuna pimp]

Tuna Pimp:

An irrelevant point to this thread, but SkyWest negotiated rights to use the ATL gates for other airlines and other code. There are also other indications that SkyWest is thinking of a post DL scenario if it comes to that.

Certainly DL is a great partner for ASA. But, if you recall, ASA was around & profitable since long before the DL code share agreement.

Also, everyone acts like ASA came up and stole a $20 blowing around the ramp because we make a profit out of our partnership with Delta. Delta AirLines has the superior negotiating position and has more or less dictated the terms of our codeshare contract. Several times in the past, those terms have been harsh. For one, when ASA was bought Delta made it clear to investors who hoped to profit on the deal that ASA's contract would be chopped if the sale wasn't consumated for what Delta wanted to pay.

ASA has always been a fairly brutal place where employees are regularly sacrificed on the pyre of cost savings. It may not be a daisy farm, but it has been consistently profitable....

I don't think ASA came up and stole $20. I think you guys earned it. Likewise, DL could have used it's superior negotiating position to squeeze ASA for every penny it could. Instead ASA remains profitable. Do we rough up ASA sometimes? Sure. For example I think we squeeze WAY too many departures out of the 'C' concourse and then wonder why the operation there is not as efficient as it should/could be.

Problem for ASA is that the business has changed so much in the past 15 years or so. God knows it's changed for us at DL. The only other customer that would want to buy or occupy so many gates in ATL would be AirTran and they would use them all for their own metal. Not good for ASA. The reality is that there is a glut of RJ capacity which you don't want to have to contribute to. By the same token ASA is still a major piece of the DL puzzle and plays a big role and neither carrier can really afford to part ways. IMHO at least.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Last time I checked ASA was pretty much 100% dependant on DL for survival. Not sure I'd call that a rock solid business model there either.



I did mean it as a compliment. I like ASA. Sorry to have gotten your little panties into a bunch there chachi.

Do you actually have any sort of meaningful point to make here? Or do you just like to sit anonymously behind your computer and take cheap shots so you can feel like a big man?

I do all I can to take pot shots so I can feel like a big man. It makes me feel better about myself. I have self -esteem issues and I have found that this helps a lot. Thank you for your concern.

BTW, how did you know that my family calls me Chachi and that I wear panties???

 

[DAL737FO]

This was recently printed in the "Roar from 44", the official magazine of the DAL ALPA LEC 44/ATL.

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Looks like the Delta pilots pushed for us to lose our flight benefits after all.

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Actually this was in the Phantom Flyer part of the Roar. The Phantom Flyer has rumors and other things sent in by some of the pilots. Some of which are funny. This has not been stated by the DAL MEC or any of the LEC's but it is a good question. Sorry ASA but you do not have a God given right to DOH pass privledges now that you are not wholly owned just like we don't have a God given right to have DOH on your aircraft.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actually this was in the Phantom Flyer part of the Roar. The Phantom Flyer has rumors and other things sent in by some of the pilots. Some of which are funny. This has not been stated by the DAL MEC or any of the LEC's but it is a good question. Sorry ASA but you do not have a God given right to DOH pass privledges now that you are not wholly owned just like we don't have a God given right to have DOH on your aircraft.

It is still an official DALPA publication. Don't forget that DALPA filed a grievance to stop ASA and CMR from receiving the DOH pass privledges when we were purchased. The Delta MEC has always been against us having them.

The rumor is that you will have priority on ASA aircraft also. The "logic" being used is that you "own" the seats. I don't have a problem with S3C on a Delta aircraft, but if you end up getting priority on ASA aircraft, there will be problems.

We will all find out soon enough.

Joe

 

[No Delay]

Just as JoeMerchant just stated...I don't believe ASA has a problem with S3C on Delta as long it goes both ways. That is really industry standard. I think the "rumor" that Delta would bump ASA on an ASA flight is what has everyone worked up?


I am relatively new to this industry so forgive this question....

Were Delta pilots ever offered the opportunity to fly the 50 seat jets (in the beginning)? If so, why would delta pilots allow so much of there flying to be out-sourced?

 

[wil]

DAL737FO- I wonder how that DAL Flight Attendant will feel getting bumped out of XNA? I have hauled many a DAL crewmember this holiday season. It cuts both ways when it comes to pass benefits. I don't consider it a God given right but part of my benefits package. Fly safe, cheers-

 

[atrdriver]

Tuna Pimp:

Certainly DL is a great partner for ASA. But, if you recall, ASA was around & profitable since long before the DL code share agreement.

ASA wasn't around for too long before the DAL code share agreement, something like 5 years, with not too many aircraft. I believe we were founded in 1979, and the code share started in 1984. I doubt that George and John would have stuckit out without the DAL agreement, and we both know that we wouldn't be 1/100th as big as we are now without it.

 

[DAL737FO]

DAL737FO- I wonder how that DAL Flight Attendant will feel getting bumped out of XNA? I would imagine that he/she would be pissed like we all are when we don't get on a flight. I have hauled many a DAL crewmember this holiday season. I would imagine that Delta mainline has hauled many ASA crewmembers as well what's your point? It cuts both ways when it comes to pass benefits. Yes it does. I don't consider it a God given right but part of my benefits package. Now you've got to be kidding me. So if Delta had sold you to let's say American, you would demand date of hire pass privledges on American and Delta? You just want to continue to have DOH passes because you feel like you've been cheated by possibly getting what your new parent company gets. Fly safe, cheers-

I still don't understand how anyone can be ticked off if you get S3C (like SkyWest has on Delta now) while flying on Delta and Delta employees get S3C's when flying on ASA.

 

[CheeseHead13]

I still don't understand how anyone can be ticked off if you get S3C (like SkyWest has on Delta now) while flying on Delta and Delta employees get S3C's when flying on ASA.

I pretty sure thats what 90% of the people what.