"Roar from 44" on ASA travel benefits

[General Lee]

why don't you shove your "mainline" attitude up your a@#! As a commuter I am furious with you guys and the attitude you have. when times are bad you want everyone to suffer with you and "feel your pain". when times are good you will stomp on your mother to grab what everyone else might have.

Yes, your post really pissed me off....no I don't care if this gets me banned...you delta guys need some checking of ol' mother reality...she's about to crap on your head and the sound you will hear is me laughing.

P.S. This is the regional thread why are you posting here?

Man alive, this guy is a firecracker. Suuuuuu-wheeee. You need to start realizing son that everything DCI does revolve around MOTHER Delta. And, are you sure "she's about to crap on our head?" Have you read any court transcripts lately? Those lines in the USAToday were old news, and lately the quotes have gotten more testy towards the company. We'll see how that goes, but you need to stay off the chronic and quit crying.

And, I contributed $$$ to this forum, so I can post on the regional threads. How about you Rico?


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

737 Pylt,

Let's have a reality check....I know your pain with the pay cuts!!! But less you forget that regional pilots make nothing and have sub par work rules as compared to the majors even with all the pay cuts and work rule concessions.

A lot of us started at the bottom too. As our salaries decrease closer to yours, it only makes sense that management will lower yours too. I would get your PIC and try to get on with Southwest or Continental as fast as you can.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[rtmcfi]

If I wanted to fly from SLC to Billings to see my sister, I could get bumped out of any seat from any SkyWest employee.

Now General-
You wouldn't really stoop to riding on a SkyWest RJ would you? I think mainline has a flight to Bozeman. You would probably walk to BIL from there, and not dignify Ron or Jerry with your presence. I would think SkyWest would be below your station in life! ;-)

 

[atrdriver]

Tuna,
I was/am furloughed from Delta twice (2002 & 2003), it was a non-flying posistion but I am still not making what I made while I was at Delta. I just don't think it would not be fair for me to use my S3b as a furloughed Delta employee to get to work and bump an ASA pilot or flight attendent on an ASA flight. The pass priority on SKY has been S3c for Delta for a while now. Why is it an issue now? Delta needs to take care of their people first on Delta flights, and Skywest/ASA needs to take care of their employess first on their flights.

The point of the thread was that the rumor around ASA is that all the contract carriers will lose pass priviledges to the point that DAL employees, regardless of DOH, will be able to bump any contract carrier employee, regardless of DOH, off ANY aircraft carrying DAL colors. That is going to make a lot of people at the contract carriers upset, whether it's right or not. And as far as DAL taking all the risk and ASA or SKY or CHQ or whoever making a profit even if the plane goes out empty, who's idea exactly was that? Don't think it was ours, we just took advantage of it. Like of like finding a $20 blowing on the ramp. Most people are going to stop and pick it up.

 

[737 Pylt]

The point of the thread was that the rumor around ASA is that all the contract carriers will lose pass priviledges to the point that DAL employees, regardless of DOH, will be able to bump any contract carrier employee, regardless of DOH, off ANY aircraft carrying DAL colors. That is going to make a lot of people at the contract carriers upset, whether it's right or not.

You are right, I don't believe DAL mainline employees should bump contract carriers off their own planes with regards to DOH. A DL mainline employee should come behind an ASA employee (regardless of seniority) when on an ASA flight, and vice versa on a DL mainline. I can see where DCI employees would be upset with this. I know I would.
737

 

[General Lee]

Now General-
You wouldn't really stoop to riding on a SkyWest RJ would you? I think mainline has a flight to Bozeman. You would probably walk to BIL from there, and not dignify Ron or Jerry with your presence. I would think SkyWest would be below your station in life! ;-)

Well, I have been jumping on the United 737-300 a lot from DEN to BIL because those guys "KNOW OUR PAIN." Man, SLC and DEN are swarming with those dang SkyWest jetz!!! (just jokin SkyWest dudes!) Ron must really feel "insulated" when he travels between those two airports!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

["GO AROUND"]

If ASA employees start getting bumped off our own airplanes this issue is gonna get ugly. Pilots can't do much for non pilots but you can bet that a DAL nonrev is gonna get bumped before an ASA jumpseater.

 

[atlcrashpad]

Us vs Them (Passes)

Guys,

No need to get in a Pissing Contest over something that hasn't even happened. When you boil it down, does SKYW have priority on their planes (DAL codeshare)? You bet. What makes you think ASA is going to be different? I'll tell you what I think, BL and Grinchstien are Whipsawing the DAL vs ASA employees during a time when Everybody is scared of their jobs and benefits. They want this War of Threats it keeps them from having to face us when we are fighting amongst ourselves.

 

[701EV]

atlcrashpad,

You hit the nail right on the HEAD!

BL(LIAR) and GG are ROTF over all of this. BL admitted that they look at this forum.

701EV

 

[Puck Mugger]

Delta: Pays ASA for each and every seat on each and every flight. Assumes all financial risks and losses on every departure. Bankrupt.

ASA: Paid a set fee (cost + profit) on each and every flight operated whether it's full or empty. Profitable.

Guess we know who has the better business model, huh?

 

[Puck Mugger]

I take ASA pretty frequently and have never felt anything less than 100% safe on your flights.

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

 

[PCL_128]

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

I think the a$$hole is the guy who can't take a compliment.

 

[outtahere]

I think the a$$hole is the guy who can't take a compliment.

I am assuming you work for Peanuckle so why don't you butt out of the conversation and worry about trying to fix your pos contract.

 

[~~~^~~~]

You are right, I don't believe DAL mainline employees should bump contract carriers off their own planes with regards to DOH. A DL mainline employee should come behind an ASA employee (regardless of seniority) when on an ASA flight, and vice versa on a DL mainline. I can see where DCI employees would be upset with this. I know I would.
737

Actually, this would hurt all the Delta commuters that ride ASA to work. We carry a bunch of them, often they are 10% of our pax count. I could not believe it, but one of your senior stews brought us Turkey sandwiches on Thanksgiving, which we really appreciated. Darn considerate of her.

If ASA loses its current status with Delta, I'm fairly certain anything that flies under DL code will be affected similarly.

 

[tuna pimp]

Guess we know who has the better business model, huh?

Last time I checked ASA was pretty much 100% dependant on DL for survival. Not sure I'd call that a rock solid business model there either.

Gee thanks for the vote of confidence, a$$hole.

I did mean it as a compliment. I like ASA. Sorry to have gotten your little panties into a bunch there chachi.

Do you actually have any sort of meaningful point to make here? Or do you just like to sit anonymously behind your computer and take cheap shots so you can feel like a big man?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Tuna Pimp:

An irrelevant point to this thread, but SkyWest negotiated rights to use the ATL gates for other airlines and other code. There are also other indications that SkyWest is thinking of a post DL scenario if it comes to that.

Certainly DL is a great partner for ASA. But, if you recall, ASA was around & profitable since long before the DL code share agreement.

Also, everyone acts like ASA came up and stole a $20 blowing around the ramp because we make a profit out of our partnership with Delta. Delta AirLines has the superior negotiating position and has more or less dictated the terms of our codeshare contract. Several times in the past, those terms have been harsh. For one, when ASA was bought Delta made it clear to investors who hoped to profit on the deal that ASA's contract would be chopped if the sale wasn't consumated for what Delta wanted to pay.

ASA has always been a fairly brutal place where employees are regularly sacrificed on the pyre of cost savings. It may not be a daisy farm, but it has been consistently profitable....

 

[tuna pimp]

Tuna Pimp:

An irrelevant point to this thread, but SkyWest negotiated rights to use the ATL gates for other airlines and other code. There are also other indications that SkyWest is thinking of a post DL scenario if it comes to that.

Certainly DL is a great partner for ASA. But, if you recall, ASA was around & profitable since long before the DL code share agreement.

Also, everyone acts like ASA came up and stole a $20 blowing around the ramp because we make a profit out of our partnership with Delta. Delta AirLines has the superior negotiating position and has more or less dictated the terms of our codeshare contract. Several times in the past, those terms have been harsh. For one, when ASA was bought Delta made it clear to investors who hoped to profit on the deal that ASA's contract would be chopped if the sale wasn't consumated for what Delta wanted to pay.

ASA has always been a fairly brutal place where employees are regularly sacrificed on the pyre of cost savings. It may not be a daisy farm, but it has been consistently profitable....

I don't think ASA came up and stole $20. I think you guys earned it. Likewise, DL could have used it's superior negotiating position to squeeze ASA for every penny it could. Instead ASA remains profitable. Do we rough up ASA sometimes? Sure. For example I think we squeeze WAY too many departures out of the 'C' concourse and then wonder why the operation there is not as efficient as it should/could be.

Problem for ASA is that the business has changed so much in the past 15 years or so. God knows it's changed for us at DL. The only other customer that would want to buy or occupy so many gates in ATL would be AirTran and they would use them all for their own metal. Not good for ASA. The reality is that there is a glut of RJ capacity which you don't want to have to contribute to. By the same token ASA is still a major piece of the DL puzzle and plays a big role and neither carrier can really afford to part ways. IMHO at least.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Last time I checked ASA was pretty much 100% dependant on DL for survival. Not sure I'd call that a rock solid business model there either.



I did mean it as a compliment. I like ASA. Sorry to have gotten your little panties into a bunch there chachi.

Do you actually have any sort of meaningful point to make here? Or do you just like to sit anonymously behind your computer and take cheap shots so you can feel like a big man?

I do all I can to take pot shots so I can feel like a big man. It makes me feel better about myself. I have self -esteem issues and I have found that this helps a lot. Thank you for your concern.

BTW, how did you know that my family calls me Chachi and that I wear panties???

 

[DAL737FO]

This was recently printed in the "Roar from 44", the official magazine of the DAL ALPA LEC 44/ATL.

"I wonder if our former "wholly owned subsidiary" is going to retain date-of-hire passes and continue to bump hard-working Delta folks off their own airplanes?"

Looks like the Delta pilots pushed for us to lose our flight benefits after all.

Real cute, huh? Thanks "DALPA". With friends like these, who needs enemies?

Actually this was in the Phantom Flyer part of the Roar. The Phantom Flyer has rumors and other things sent in by some of the pilots. Some of which are funny. This has not been stated by the DAL MEC or any of the LEC's but it is a good question. Sorry ASA but you do not have a God given right to DOH pass privledges now that you are not wholly owned just like we don't have a God given right to have DOH on your aircraft.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Actually this was in the Phantom Flyer part of the Roar. The Phantom Flyer has rumors and other things sent in by some of the pilots. Some of which are funny. This has not been stated by the DAL MEC or any of the LEC's but it is a good question. Sorry ASA but you do not have a God given right to DOH pass privledges now that you are not wholly owned just like we don't have a God given right to have DOH on your aircraft.

It is still an official DALPA publication. Don't forget that DALPA filed a grievance to stop ASA and CMR from receiving the DOH pass privledges when we were purchased. The Delta MEC has always been against us having them.

The rumor is that you will have priority on ASA aircraft also. The "logic" being used is that you "own" the seats. I don't have a problem with S3C on a Delta aircraft, but if you end up getting priority on ASA aircraft, there will be problems.

We will all find out soon enough.

Joe