Rjet update

[likeitis]

Hey Citation, you better brush up on your Caravan skills because thats the only thing your gonna be able to hold after you are integrated. Troll

I guess if he falls down the stairs and shatters his brain stem and then decides to cut his current pay by 50%+, loses his self respect, maybe he will be flying for RAH.

 

[Minimaniac]

The RAH CBA allows for integration when RAH owns MORE THAN 50% of a particular company. The union is obligated to pursue integration when more than 50% is owned, but prevented from pursuing integration if 50% or less of a company is owned by RAH. What do you know, RAH owned exactly 50% of Mokulele until recently, preventing us from pursuing integration. As soon as the company disclosed that it upped its investment from 50% to 89%, our union began to tackle that issue. Right at that time, however, RAH management announced the intent to acquire Midwest and Frontier. As the memo at the beginning of this thread indicates, our union believes that the spirit of Allgheny-Mohawk requires us to integrate all parties (F9/Lynx/Mokulele/Midwest) at one time.

The IBT at RAH takes our scope very seriously. I am not one to quote what I consider to be private forums on public boards like this, but there are multiple quotes I could make that convey the union's awareness and intent to integrate Mokulele if and when our ownership increased to over 50%. We will fight for Mokulele integration as hard as we will fight for Frontier integration. Our union will not let a precedent be set where the company is allowed to control another airline and keep those pilots separate.

I know Midwest guys want to get the ball rolling on integration. We at RAH would love to have the matter settled as well. While the delay hurts you, it does NOT benefit us. RAH pilots are not gaining anything by having Midwest pilots separate from us. There are no recalls, and no overall fleet growth here. When the rumored growth comes, it will be on 190 aircraft, which means Midwest guys will have a pretty good shot at being placed on those aircraft anyway. It is not like we are going to upgrade all our 145 pilots to the 190 and then stick Midwest guys on the 145. October is less than a month away. That is when IBT wants to discuss integration. Not December, not 2010. One month from now. I think you guys will benefit from a 5-way integration anyhow, since you will have the support of Frontier pilots in talks. Frontier could hold up the integration until they feel Midwest gets a fair deal.

 

[CitationLover]

Remember, you have the option to quit. I have alot of empathy for what my Midwest brothers have went thru but you are pushing it. At some point a decision is going to be made as to how to handle the furloughs and your post may have an effect as to where I stand.

You bet I can quit. As to how my post on a webboard will affect your opinion, I guess you do have a weak mind.

 

[CitationLover]

Hey Citation, you better brush up on your Caravan skills because thats the only thing your gonna be able to hold after you are integrated. Troll

Okay Popeye, thanks. You can fly MKE-LAX for $37/hr and beat your chest all day long. Whoppee do you fly an EMB. Better hide that boner.

I'd rather fly the piper I am paying to fly right now than whore myself out like you do.

 

[ttuite]

This merger is going to get nasty. Five pilot groups are going to be merged with completely different career expectations. The Northwest/Delta merger worked out because the two airlines were similar. Both were international legacies. Both were hiring with no involuntary furloughs. Here you're merging 2 regionals, 2 majors, and a part 135 operator. At least three of the airlines have furloughs. This is a recipe for disaster. The fact that Republic is the company doing the buying and that Republic 190's are replacing ALL of the Midwest flying makes things worse. The Republic pilots feel that the 190's are their aircraft. If this is true, then the Midwest pilots bring no airframes. The Midwest pilots believe that because the 190's are direct replacement, those are the aircraft that they are entitled to. In the end, I see labor unrest for years.

Staple them all in order of when RAH bought em. If it was good enough for the Shuttle America Pilots it should be good enough for you. Funny I didn't hear all of this noise when the Shuttle guys and gals got hosed!!!!

 

[En Mort Main]

Didn't the Shuttle guys get hosed by the arbitrator?

En Mort Main

 

[climb2slow]

Staple them all in order of when RAH bought em. If it was good enough for the Shuttle America Pilots it should be good enough for you. Funny I didn't hear all of this noise when the Shuttle guys and gals got hosed!!!!

Spoken by a true F8 Doosh

 

[king10pin02]

Didn't the Shuttle guys get hosed by the arbitrator?

En Mort Main

Yes, it went to arbitration and the arbitrator went with the CHQ proposal.

 

[B727FA]

I'd rather fly the piper I am paying to fly right now than whore myself out like you do.

Don't forget to call "Clear" at engine start.

 

[CitationLover]

Don't forget to call "Clear" at engine start.

not if you're in front of the airplane. remember to get my coffee when i am onboard as i'm sure that's in bedford's plans for you guys.

 

[RobCat]

You bet I can quit. As to how my post on a webboard will affect your opinion, I guess you do have a weak mind.

I have a very weak mind directly related to reading your posts. You may not have to worry about me, what you may want to worry about is the other 2000 pilots at RAH that is reading your posts. Do you speak for the Midwest group as a whole or just the furloughs? For many of us we are starting to think that you represent the personality and attitude from the Midwest side that we are going to introduce to our (RAH, MW, F9, MK, and Lynx) new company. I am ready to do whatever it takes to get the furloughs from all of our companies back to work. As I feel I have a moral obligation to do so. I could very easily be in your situation. Your attitude is making me and I'm sure a few others think twice about that moral obligation.

 

[kf4amu]

As I feel I have a moral obligation to do so. I could very easily be in your situation. Your attitude is making me and I'm sure a few others think twice about that moral obligation.

Do you guys have a moral obligation to work for a liveable wage? Apparently not.

Do you guys have a moral obligation not to enable your management to undercut the few decent paying mainline jobs left? Nope

Do you guys have a moral obligation to raise the bar instead of bringing it down for that all important selfish, greedy, quick upgrade? Nope. Me me me me me me. ******************** the rest of the industry, I dont care if my pay rates affect their negotations, I want their flying because I want to be a captain and I'm willing to sell myself out.

Good job folks. Everyone hates you as much as Mesa now. Awful.

 

[RobCat]

Do you guys have a moral obligation to work for a liveable wage? Apparently not.

Do you guys have a moral obligation not to enable your management to undercut the few decent paying mainline jobs left? Nope

Do you guys have a moral obligation to raise the bar instead of bringing it down for that all important selfish, greedy, quick upgrade? Nope. Me me me me me me. ******************** the rest of the industry, I dont care if my pay rates affect their negotations, I want their flying because I want to be a captain and I'm willing to sell myself out.

Good job folks. Everyone hates you as much as Mesa now. Awful.

My point is that Citations attitude is a CANCER. He will poison my cockpit as well as our company. If we are going to make this place better for us and our families how is he going to help. Is Citation what MW has to offer as far as a group?

 

[OpenClimb]

My point is that Citations attitude is a CANCER. He will poison my cockpit as well as our company. If we are going to make this place better for us and our families how is he going to help. Is Citation what MW has to offer as far as a group?

So unless the guys from the recently-acquired Mainline carriers suck it up and thank RAH for the chance to fly in YOUR cockpit, they're a cancer? Wow.

Keep in mind that the Midwest guys (and the Frontier guys) have paid their dues and have moved beyond the world of feeder flying. You can better bet that each and every one of them will have a bad attitude if they end up swinging gear for the likes of YOU in YOUR cockpit.

Plan on having another 639 cancerous pilots if this is your plan (or hope) for the Frontier pilot group.

Keep in mind that Midwest pilots and Frontier pilots are far beyond the stage in our careers that we are just happy to have any old job flying a shiny jet. The only job we're interested in having is a job that's *worth* having. You all can keep your jobs that pay $37 for an FO and ~$85 for a captain. I had that job 10 years ago when I worked for Mesa.

 

[B727FA]

not if you're in front of the airplane. remember to get my coffee when i am onboard as i'm sure that's in bedford's plans for you guys.

My pleasure, Capt. Say, are your eyes a little blood-shot? I have just the thing for you...

 

[likeitis]

My point is that Citations attitude is a CANCER. He will poison my cockpit as well as our company. If we are going to make this place better for us and our families how is he going to help. Is Citation what MW has to offer as far as a group?

Yes it is what MW has to offer after what they went through, deal with it. You guys are in the process of poisoning the Midwest product that took us 25 years to build. For example I have flown about 30 roundtrips on the 170's over the last 9 months and only once have I found either pilot welcoming or saying goodbye to the pax's. This is something that you would see almost every flight when flying with Midwest. Are you guys just too good to say hello or goodbye or maybe you realize that pax are smarter than you think and know you all are replacement pilots.

 

[CitationLover]

My point is that Citations attitude is a CANCER. He will poison my cockpit as well as our company. If we are going to make this place better for us and our families how is he going to help. Is Citation what MW has to offer as far as a group?

Ooh I'm a CANCER!!! You happily will fly with those who are flying our old routes at a 70% pay reduction, but that's ok with you since it's "management" who is the evil one.

Please. Do you really think I will come back? Heck no. This is called integrity, something most RAH pilots do not have.

 

[CitationLover]

My point is that Citations attitude is a CANCER. He will poison my cockpit as well as our company. If we are going to make this place better for us and our families how is he going to help. Is Citation what MW has to offer as far as a group?

You think I am bad? Wait till you have a 20yr former MD80 CA who was home every night for the last 10 years.

I think our former MEC chair, with his job at HAL, will be representational of what you're going to see. Not a lot of Midwest pilots coming over. We don't have to make that decision though until we need to.

Again, you happily fly our routes, etc. but then call us the cancer and ask us to help "our" company. It's called "getting shi t on" in the real world. It doesn't produce kumbyah like you expect.

 

[Popeye0537]

So unless the guys from the recently-acquired Mainline carriers suck it up and thank RAH for the chance to fly in YOUR cockpit, they're a cancer? Wow.

Keep in mind that the Midwest guys (and the Frontier guys) have paid their dues and have moved beyond the world of feeder flying. You can better bet that each and every one of them will have a bad attitude if they end up swinging gear for the likes of YOU in YOUR cockpit.

Plan on having another 639 cancerous pilots if this is your plan (or hope) for the Frontier pilot group.

Keep in mind that Midwest pilots and Frontier pilots are far beyond the stage in our careers that we are just happy to have any old job flying a shiny jet. The only job we're interested in having is a job that's *worth* having. You all can keep your jobs that pay $37 for an FO and ~$85 for a captain. I had that job 10 years ago when I worked for Mesa.

O god here we go again with the "I paid my dues" $hit......

1. F9 guys have a viable product, they will fair better in the integration then MW.
2. My jet is shiny, isn't yours?
3. We will keep our $37 hour job as long as people will do it for that.
4. What are you making now sitting right seat? What your QOL, probably as good as it was at mesa.
5. You are MORE to blame then pilots at RAH, you worked at MESA...friggen MESA. Pot meet kettle

When it comes to MW pilot group, I can say that I haven't run into any of the nay sayers like citation in MKE. Most of the guys left understand what they are faced with and are looking to see if we have any more info on whats going on. Citation is a cancer to RAH but he will most likely never see the flight deck of an RAH plane because he is very junior at MW and will be close to the bottom of the list when it comes together.

 

[CitationLover]

When it comes to MW pilot group, I can say that I haven't run into any of the nay sayers like citation in MKE. Most of the guys left understand what they are faced with and are looking to see if we have any more info on whats going on. Citation is a cancer to RAH but he will most likely never see the flight deck of an RAH plane because he is very junior at MW and will be close to the bottom of the list when it comes together.

and when the new contract comes out with $39 / hr top end FO rates you will vote yes.