RJ pilots- question

[aa73]

THIS IS NOT A SLAM!

I'm just curious as to why Canadair CL-65s and EMbs taxi so fast. The other day we were told that an RJ would give way to us at an intersection and he was smoking! Slammed the brakes on, looks like he bottomed out the nose strut... I'd guess he was doing 30 kts.

Disclaimer: I know we taxi slow! I'm just waiting for someone to post, "We're not taxiing fast, you're just taxiing slow." Still, it sems that RJs tend to taxi much faster than other jets... are you guys always in a hurry? I'm talking even faster than Southwest!

73

 

[Typhoon1244]

The engines throw out a LOT of thrust at idle. Corporate guys solve this problem by taxiing with one in reverse...but we're not alowed to do that because we're immature children who might break something if we fiddle with reversers during taxi.

If you put some effort into it, you CAN taxi slowly, smoothly and safely in a CRJ. Unfortunately, only about one-in-five RJ captain work at it. [End of rant]

 

[Rabble]

Ever see a 21 year-old kid drive a car?

No difference. You take a bunch of twenty-something, wonderstick, captains, with their American Idol haircuts, running around the concourses carrying their hats, never flown anything bigger than a seminole before they graduated to the RJ (literally) -- and they taxi like they're driving their girlfriend's convertible.

They have little regard for smoothness in the air or on the ground.

I realize i'm stereotyping here but I just flew with one of these clowns and I'm fed up.

 

[chperplt]

My only answer (Not a good one) is that most schedules in the regional business are tight and people are trying to stay ahead of the game.

Unfortunately it's not always safety first, is it?

 

[aa73]

Thanks for the responses. I do remember the crazy schedules at the regionals, that probably explains a lot of it.

I do remember seeing a United Express RJ taxiing around with one engine in reverse.... has that been discontinued? Limitation maybe?

73

 

[sladude]

Ever see a 21 year-old kid drive a car?

No difference. You take a bunch of twenty-something, wonderstick, captains, with their American Idol haircuts, running around the concourses carrying their hats, never flown anything bigger than a seminole before they graduated to the RJ (literally) -- and they taxi like they're driving their girlfriend's convertible.

They have little regard for smoothness in the air or on the ground.

I realize i'm stereotyping here but I just flew with one of these clowns and I'm fed up.

Have you ever seen an Eagle RJ captain under the age of 30? Probably not unless he or she is a flowback from AA. I guarantee you Eagle RJ captains taxi just as fast if not faster than anyone else. That is probably who AA73 saw slam on the brakes.

 

[Bert Harbenson]

I can't speak for the CRJ, but the ERJ does throw a lot of thrust around at idle (especially if you are light) and our company procedures prohibits TR's during taxi. The 145 is less of a problem due to huge brakes, but the 135's are smaller; therefore leading to the brakes heating up rapidly if you ride them too long. Of course, in my book this is no excuse to ignore saftey. The simple solution would be to allow the use of TR's during taxi, however the company is concerned about FOD. If you ask me the chance of FOD is very low at idle thrust with the engines 12 feet above the ground, but I don't make the rules.

 

[BluDevAv8r]

Or perhaps more people should taxi on one engine...saves gas too!

-Neal

 

[SkyBoy1981]

Ever see a 21 year-old kid drive a car?

No difference. You take a bunch of twenty-something, wonderstick, captains, with their American Idol haircuts, running around the concourses carrying their hats, never flown anything bigger than a seminole before they graduated to the RJ (literally) -- and they taxi like they're driving their girlfriend's convertible.

They have little regard for smoothness in the air or on the ground.

I realize i'm stereotyping here but I just flew with one of these clowns and I'm fed up.

Awww....there's no jealousy here is there? If you're so good why aren't you in the left seat doing the taxiing?

 

[328dude]

Ever see a 21 year-old kid drive a car?

No difference. You take a bunch of twenty-something, wonderstick, captains, with their American Idol haircuts, running around the concourses carrying their hats, never flown anything bigger than a seminole before they graduated to the RJ (literally) -- and they taxi like they're driving their girlfriend's convertible.

They have little regard for smoothness in the air or on the ground.

I realize i'm stereotyping here but I just flew with one of these clowns and I'm fed up.

Your fed up? The great J4J oh mighty wisdom has spoken everyone. I'm sick of you J4J jerks thinking that everything is owed to you. News Flash, if it wasent for J4J's I'd be throwing you a few bucks at the car wash.

So you think you deserve the Captain slot? When was the last time you were Captain on anything? I know it wasen't mainline.....Looks like we are getting back to YOUR seminole days.



Quit your whining and grow up. Just remember, no matter how much you whine and cry over there, your still my Biatch....

 

[shamrock]

You take a bunch of twenty-something, wonderstick, captains, with their American Idol haircuts, running around the concourses carrying their hats,

You're just jealous because they still have a full head of hair and don't need a hat to keep their combover in check when it gets windy.

Of course I'm stereotyping.

 

[Nindiri]

Or perhaps more people should taxi on one engine...saves gas too!

-Neal

Exactly. I single engine taxi routinely and the brake temps never get above one.

 

[328dude]

I can't speak for the CRJ, but the ERJ does throw a lot of thrust around at idle (especially if you are light) and our company procedures prohibits TR's during taxi. The 145 is less of a problem due to huge brakes, but the 135's are smaller; therefore leading to the brakes heating up rapidly if you ride them too long. Of course, in my book this is no excuse to ignore saftey. The simple solution would be to allow the use of TR's during taxi, however the company is concerned about FOD. If you ask me the chance of FOD is very low at idle thrust with the engines 12 feet above the ground, but I don't make the rules.

That would be a simple solution. However, a cost is also to blame of using reverse thrust. For instance, it cost's a CRJ $8 dollars each time you pop the TR's. That's 16 bucks a landing. They can blame it on FOD, and I'm sure that is some of the reason, but cost is also in there somewhere.

 

[PCL_128]

Does Eagle not have single-engine taxi procedures in the books? Forget TRs, single-engine taxi is the best way to limit both taxi speed and fuel burn.

328dude - Where did you get the costs for TR deployments?

 

[Rabble]

"Quit your whining and grow up. Just remember, no matter how much you whine and cry over there, your still my Biatch...."

Is that so, Mike? We can talk about it next time i'm in Tulsa.

That is if you're not too busy telling people that you're furloughed from TWA.

 

[J32driver]

Exactly. I single engine taxi routinely and the brake temps never get above one.

They won't let us taxi on one at Air Willy. They also won't let us run around with one in reverse anymore. Consequently... the airplane runs away unless you ride the brakes. Not so much a problem in the winter, the brakes tend to stay within limits. Once it gets to be summertime though, they heat up much easier. I tend to taxi faster in the summer than the winter for this reason only.

The airplane can easily get up to 30 or 40 knots on a long taxi with thrust at idle and no use of the brakes.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Maybe he was going fast to catch his flight home.

 

[Palerider957]

.....the faster you taxi, the quicker you get to the overnight. The quicker you get to the overnight, the more BEER you can drink.

 

[aa73]

Have you ever seen an Eagle RJ captain under the age of 30? Probably not unless he or she is a flowback from AA. I guarantee you Eagle RJ captains taxi just as fast if not faster than anyone else. That is probably who AA73 saw slam on the brakes.

ASA CL-65.

I still don't understand what age has to do with it, or flowbacks for that matter?

73

 

[Flyeys]

spoilers open above 25kts on the ERJ's when on the ground, thats a good way to tell how fast we are taxiing.