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Rivals invade Southwest's Airspace

Dan Roman

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but again, I often can get a better deal on Delta than I can on SWA. Now I'm going to go put on my helmet for the incoming as a result of my saying Dereg has created more careers than destroyed!
 

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It's funny, but I got labeled a SWA hater awhile ago when I countered some of the SWA "we are the champions of the world and we are going to kick your ass" mentality that was so prevalent on here during the AirTran merger.
Some SWA folks on here were jumping up and down saying they were going to kick Delta's ass and conquer the world. I simply said that SWA doesn't have the cost advantage over the legacies it had and a lot of people prefer the full service airline if the price is competitive.

I also think it's a little unsavory when pilots think they are the competitive advantage. We are not, our element is how well we fly our airplanes. Not how fast we can taxi or how much we can talk stink about other pilots. It's managements job to compete and make sound decisions, it's our job to safely share the airspace together.
 
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I think it's comical, and semi ironic that so many DAL guys take shots at SWA guys for being up on the perch............and saying that the "top dog" has to fall. All the while posting articles and reciting "experts" purporting that DAL may soon be on top of that said perch. Be careful what you wish for.................

CD
 

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Dan you are so out of touch with the common person. Do you think it is OK for airlines to charge 1000 dollars for a one way ticket, to a destination that is a forth of the mileage of one of there 200 dollars tickets?.

They charge 1000 dollars because they can, ( no competition )



It is you mother ,grandmother, your sister that they are screwing out of getting to go on vacation or seeing loved ones.

Dan you think that only the rich should be able to fly. Get off your high horse old man.


Thanks Stalin! I bet a lot of trannies wish you and GK had this benevolent attitude during the SLI process. You sure are nice, to everyone but your new brothers and sisters.

I also just pasted 2 articles and outlined a bit of interesting tidbits that the authors wrote. Just because your airline makes about 1/4 the amount of revenue DL does and 1/6 the amount UAL does now, doesn't mean you need to get too upset. I'm sure GK isn't looking at things like that. And having some debt, not too much, but some is good to keep hostile takeovers away. It needs to be manageable, and DL is doing a great job of reducing it to those levels. Your $19 billion 737 order won't be paid for in cash now, will it? Was the AT purchase in cash? You know it wasn't.


You Corndogs are so defensive and scared. Boo! Look, you just pooped yourself. Now you look like your planes.



Godspeed!


OYSter. (I like that!)
 

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Thanks Stalin! I bet a lot of trannies wish you and GK had this benevolent attitude during the SLI process. You sure are nice, to everyone but your new brothers and sisters.

I also just pasted 2 articles and outlined a bit of interesting tidbits that the authors wrote. Just because your airline makes about 1/4 the amount of revenue DL does and 1/6 the amount UAL does now, doesn't mean you need to get too upset. I'm sure GK isn't looking at things like that. And having some debt, not too much, but some is good to keep hostile takeovers away. It needs to be manageable, and DL is doing a great job of reducing it to those levels. Your $19 billion 737 order won't be paid for in cash now, will it? Was the AT purchase in cash? You know it wasn't.


You Corndogs are so defensive and scared. Boo! Look, you just pooped yourself. Now you look like your planes.



Godspeed!


OYSter. (I like that!)


You're one crazy chick. I guess it's that time of month.


I am glad DAL and UAL are making money hand over fist. ( not the fist you like).


Now they need to get there pay back to where is was before your management raped you of it.

Take 3 midol and get back to me. :)
 

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On the expense front, Mr. Bastian said Delta's goal in 2012 is to return its unit costs—the cost to fly a seat a mile, excluding fuel—to 2010 levels excluding fuel and other factors. Delta is focusing over the next two years on wringing efficiencies from its maintenance operation, boosting employee productivity and adjusting its fleet by eliminating more 50-seat regional jets, he said.

Here's how Delta really reduces costs....

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=18&item=162

Welcome to Delta's newest RJ hub. Keep polishing that turd.
 

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I think it's comical, and semi ironic that so many DAL guys take shots at SWA guys for being up on the perch............and saying that the "top dog" has to fall. All the while posting articles and reciting "experts" purporting that DAL may soon be on top of that said perch. Be careful what you wish for.................

CD

You need to refocus on their attitudes, not the DAL guys. I don't know if I've ever seen a cockier bunch, and they only fly 737s around to places like Cleveland and Omaha. They do have high pay, which we all want to stick around, but a lot of us know that can change quickly. Atleast they rule ELP.


Godspeed!


The OYSter
 

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I'm sorry... Say that again?
There are slots that can ONLY be used for "RJ's"?

You're saying that the government tells delta that a particular slot can be used for a E-175, but not for an MD80?

Educate me please, prove that one
 

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Just add LGA to the list of new "RJ only" bases of CVG and MEM. Like using the ER-175 for shuttle flights.
 

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I'm sorry... Say that again?
There are slots that can ONLY be used for "RJ's"?

You're saying that the government tells delta that a particular slot can be used for a E-175, but not for an MD80?

Educate me please, prove that one

That is correct. The 44 slots USair got from Delta for DCA were ex Comair slots that went to places like Columbus, OH. The LGA slots were originally Colgan slots to PVD, Elmira, Ithaca, etc. There were some USair mainline slots too that they used 733s to MCO, TPA etc that will now be used by DL mainline. There were some mainline slots that were divested because the Govt forced it after the swap.


Godspeed!


OYSter
 

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I'm sorry... Say that again?
There are slots that can ONLY be used for "RJ's"?

You're saying that the government tells delta that a particular slot can be used for a E-175, but not for an MD80?

Educate me please, prove that one

Wave, this is true, the original intent was originally the slots were for turboprops but as the turboprops were replaced, this happened. Original intent was for a/c that could use shorter runways, guess that got ruined as the airplanes grew! Our Gov. At it's finest!

Later,
KBB
 

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Lots..
I don't know if I've ever seen a cockier bunch, and they only fly 737s around to places like Cleveland and Omaha.
The OYSter

Then you weren't around in the 80s and 90's when the DAL guys wouldn't even allow other airline crews into "their" hotel vans, not to mention jumpseats! Talk about cocky!


Oh, and DAL was nearly all domestic until the late 80's.
 

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Then you weren't around in the 80s and 90's when the DAL guys wouldn't even allow other airline crews into "their" hotel vans, not to mention jumpseats! Talk about cocky!


Oh, and DAL was nearly all domestic until the late 80's.

80's and 90's? Don't forget 00 and 10's.

OYS is a sad little troll with either little man or BIG WOMAN syndrome. And the reason you don't fly to Omaha or Cleveland or Cincinnati or... is because it's all RJs.:laugh:
 

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I totally believe that competition has made the surviving airlines much better, it has created 1000's more airline pilot jobs than their would have been and MOST important, millions of people have traveled that would not have had a chance to if not for deregulation.

Which is how we got passengers in sweats and flip-flops.
 

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Wave, this is true, the original intent was originally the slots were for turboprops but as the turboprops were replaced, this happened. Original intent was for a/c that could use shorter runways, guess that got ruined as the airplanes grew! Our Gov. At it's finest!

Later,
KBB

That's crazy-
What is the difference to ATC between a E175 and an MD88?
But let me get to the consequences- if delta cannot replace an "RJ" slot with a mainline slot- how can OYS and GL claim they're shrinking RJs? Cinci, ATL, and SLC I guess- but Delta literally cannot shrink it's RJ fleet in NYC without the government's permission? Seriously?
In a place that has slot control because it is so congested, an airline cannot use a LARGER aircraft that would carry more people?
Really?
Or can they use a larger aircraft as long as it's not flown by DALPA?
WTH, this industry....
 

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That's crazy-
What is the difference to ATC between a E175 and an MD88?
But let me get to the consequences- if delta cannot replace an "RJ" slot with a mainline slot- how can OYS and GL claim they're shrinking RJs? Cinci, ATL, and SLC I guess- but Delta literally cannot shrink it's RJ fleet in NYC without the government's permission? Seriously?
In a place that has slot control because it is so congested, an airline cannot use a LARGER aircraft that would carry more people?
Really?
Or can they use a larger aircraft as long as it's not flown by DALPA?
WTH, this industry....


Actually I believe the way it's written, you get 2 (or 3) RJ's for every Slot vs. One mainline A/C. And you wonder why there's a congestion problem!

Later,
KBB
 

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That's crazy-
What is the difference to ATC between a E175 and an MD88?
But let me get to the consequences- if delta cannot replace an "RJ" slot with a mainline slot- how can OYS and GL claim they're shrinking RJs? Cinci, ATL, and SLC I guess- but Delta literally cannot shrink it's RJ fleet in NYC without the government's permission? Seriously?
In a place that has slot control because it is so congested, an airline cannot use a LARGER aircraft that would carry more people?
Really?
Or can they use a larger aircraft as long as it's not flown by DALPA?
WTH, this industry....

Comair will be down to 44 total planes by next year. Pinnacle will probably dump a lot too here shortly, and there is a limit in 70/76 seaters. So, the RJ fleet is shrinking. As far as which planes fly where from LGA, some cities cannot support a mainline plane, like Bangor. There were a couple cities that I saw announced that even I raised an eyebrow, like DFW and IAH nonstop on E170s or CR9s, but I guess some service is better than none, and it mainly is a shot at two big competitors so they can't just set the price. Maybe we ran out of mainline slots at that point.


Godspeed!

The OYSter
 
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