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Archer38416

Archer38416

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I'm getting ready to retire from NW with 28 years of experience and about 25,ooo hours. Is NJA hiring old guys? (I'm 57 and taking an early retirement). When is the current contract up for negotiations?
 
Come on over, we have gobs of retired airline guys. Just make sure you're reasonably current (in any aircraft) when you submit your application.
 
sweptwingz said:
Come on over, we have gobs of retired airline guys. Just make sure you're reasonably current (in any aircraft) when you submit your application.
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That's right. If you are more than 6 months out of currency, your application proably will go in the circular file.
 
Archer38416 said:
When is the current contract up for negotiations?
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Quoting from the contract:

The new agreement shall remain in force and effect for five (5) years, with the understanding that Section 6 Notices may be served by the parties, or either of them, after forty-eight months.​
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The contract was ratified last November.
 
There were 4 retired 121 guys in our interview group last week (we are still waiting to hear). I did my sim check with an ex US Air CAPT. He was a great guy and super pilot; I'd fly with him any day. Hope they hire us all!

Good luck with your decision Archer,
VVJM265
 
They'll send you to the X.

NJA- Where retired airline pilots go to get away from their wives, ex wives and girlfriends.

Seriously it is.
 
Sadly, it's also the place where retired airline pilots go to ponder their gutted pension plans.
 
Archer, I too am a retired NWA captain. Sent in my resume in early October. Got my application three weeks later, and sent it back in four days. Got the app received/ stand by for an interview date email a day or two after the app got there. My first choice is TEB and Derinda told me that they interview in order of domicile need. Based on what I've read on this board it would seem that CMH or LAX will get you an earlier interview date. Also based on what I've been able to infer from the board and an email from Derinda, it would appear that you'll wait 3 to 7 months for an interview date. Of course this is all subject to change based on the needs of NJA. You know, until I typed it a moment ago, it hadn't hit me how similar NJA and NWA are :)
 
In my interview recently, Derinda mentioned that there were two things about recruiting for NetJets which she really liked- namely that Age and Flight time are just numbers to her. Neither one carries much weight when it comes to making the decision to hire a person. It's about hiring the right employee, not just hiring the right birth certificate or logbook. There were two 60+ guys in my group.
 
I have a friend who's a 777 captain at AA. He's number 9 on the seniority list and is prematurely turning 60. He just submited his application to NetJets and fully expects to follow a host of other AA pilots who have gone there before him.



GV
 
Just some thought for discussion here. Don't you feel you are taking the place of someone younger trying to get their career started? I'm all about the older guys and their experience but, it doesn't help the little fish at the bottom when you do this. If you're a 777 captain at AA, and you still need to make more money after 30 years, you need a financial advisor, not another job.
 
ArtVandalay said:
Just some thought for discussion here. Don't you feel you are taking the place of someone younger trying to get their career started? I'm all about the older guys and their experience but, it doesn't help the little fish at the bottom when you do this. If you're a 777 captain at AA, and you still need to make more money after 30 years, you need a financial advisor, not another job.
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I think that by retiring off of a 777, he is opening the door for a bunch of others to move up and benefit from his departure from the airlines. As far as needing a financial advisor, I am guessing that these retired guys do it more for the flying than the money. They are lucky to have this as a retirement job. Sure beats being the Walmart greeter. Good luck to this retiree and all others.
 
ArtVandalay said:
Just some thought for discussion here. Don't you feel you are taking the place of someone younger trying to get their career started? I'm all about the older guys and their experience but, it doesn't help the little fish at the bottom when you do this. If you're a 777 captain at AA, and you still need to make more money after 30 years, you need a financial advisor, not another job.
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Or you could think of it as another opening at AA for one of them younger guys to move up from the regionals.

SG
 
ArtVandalay said:
Just some thought for discussion here. Don't you feel you are taking the place of someone younger trying to get their career started? I'm all about the older guys and their experience but, it doesn't help the little fish at the bottom when you do this. If you're a 777 captain at AA, and you still need to make more money after 30 years, you need a financial advisor, not another job.
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No offense Art, but I've shot more than my share of night, garbage weather, circling approaches here at Netjets. I want the most EXPERIENCED pilots we can hire sitting in my right or left seat. Airline guys suit me just fine.
 
Don't worry 1 winter of shleping bags in the deicing fluid and the 777 guy won't last long. Most only make it a year or two and then decide its not worth it.

By the way let him know we don't taxi the "american" way. :)

In terms of experienced guys I'll take a regional, charter or corp guy over a 777 at any airline. How does 3 landings a month and fat ILS at each end equate to experience. The poor bastard doing approaches and hand flying all day probably on an apples to apples experience level has the same.
 
seniority gets you into a 777
 
hydrarkt said:
And another thing!..... How many 777s do the VOR/DME A approach into TEB?
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Uhhhhhh......I give. How many?


Guys, flying is flying. I would think that if he can learn to fly a 777, chances are he can learn how to fly a citation. The one thing that NJs cant teach is atttude.


(how many NJ BBJs do VOR/DME A approaches into TEB?)
 
I love retired airline guys. Lots of good stories. Lots of life lessons. Lots of been there done that, Union stories. They are some of the most militant guys we got. Those guys were calling all the company moves weeks and months before they pulled them.

Also, the company hiring the 60+ crowd always keeps the seniorty list churning. No matter what, you keep moving up. That is nice.

Welcome old guys, just check the ego at the door and get ready to throw some bags with me. If you are okay with that we will have a blast.:beer:
 
Diesel said:
Don't worry 1 winter of shleping bags in the deicing fluid and the 777 guy won't last long. Most only make it a year or two and then decide its not worth it.
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You're probably right about this one. These guys have no clue about this kind of work. It would be funny to see a guy going from hot meals in a 777 on the way to london to lifting 60lb bags of ski crap on an icy ramp in jackson hole. Personally, I don't think the ego could handle it either.
 
Fozzy said:
I love retired airline guys. Lots of good stories. Lots of life lessons. Lots of been there done that, Union stories. They are some of the most militant guys we got. Those guys were calling all the company moves weeks and months before they pulled them.

Also, the company hiring the 60+ crowd always keeps the seniorty list churning. No matter what, you keep moving up. That is nice.

Welcome old guys, just check the ego at the door and get ready to throw some bags with me. If you are okay with that we will have a blast.:beer:
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are you sure you work at NJA? I have loaded some bags in my time, but most the time the PIC loads the bags in back. I think its that whole FOM thing or whatever they call it.
 
doylehargraves said:
You're probably right about this one. These guys have no clue about this kind of work. It would be funny to see a guy going from hot meals in a 777 on the way to london to lifting 60lb bags of ski crap on an icy ramp in jackson hole. Personally, I don't think the ego could handle it either.
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Some of them do just fine some do not. 98% of the retired guys I have flown with are excellent pilots. Some are hard of hearing and move a little slow but they can do the job. What is comes down to at NJA is attitude. Its not always easy being a CAPT for 20+ years only to pull gear for someone 30.
 
Airline guys

Most airline pilots did not start out flying B777's. They come from just about every background imaginable. I my case, I flew DC3's in the winter in the Midwest and Northeast. Ever push a 1500 lb D container up the back of a 3 in the middle of the winter in Chicago? I fly A330's now but I got here the hard way.
 
Yeah but apache do you want to go back to pushing D containers up a 3? I doubt it.
 
How does one 'prematurely' reach age 60?
I'm one of the older new hires at NJA ( a babe at 52), and after 3 regionals, FSI instructing and corporate gigs, this is the best flying job I've had. Of course the contract those before me hammered out has made it a great place to be..thanks.
The flying is always an adventure here. With 5 types and several thousand hours, I'm learning more about flying here than anywhere else I've been. And I appreciate the patience these 'younger' captains have had with getting me up to speed in the NJA system!
Attitude is everything. Being able to clean and stock the aircraft well helps also!
 

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