Response Time

[gunfyter]

Call them or page them. Any way you want. After they report for duty they have 14 hours from the time RESERVE started to complete the trip. This means duty will be LESS than 14 hrs.

Example:

Rest begins at 0000Z and ends at 1000Z
Reserve begins 1000Z

Pager goes off and you report for Duty at 1300Z

So Reserve ends at 1300Z

Duty begins at 1300Z and MUST END at or Before 2400Z.

looking back at 24Z you had 11 hrs of duty 3 hrs reserve and 10 hrs of Rest.

You cannot start duty at 1300Z then remain on duty until 0300Z for 14 hrs of duty. if you do that and look back 24 hrs you will NOT find 10 hrs of REST as the FARs require. You will find only 7 hrs rest in preceding 24.

 

[gunfyter]

If the feds actually enforced those regs every Air Ambulance operator would go out of business the next day. Im sure all those midnight lear drivers would love to see the feds do their job but I for one am not gonna hold my breath.

Doesn't there seem to be an inordinate number of on demand air ambulace flights crashing into the mountains by the PGY VOR near Brown Field? Wonder if the crews were tired?

Once the FEDs really enforce this reg... it will be an equal playing field for everyone. Every operator will need to hire more pilots. Medicare just gonna have to pay more for those Air Ambulance flights... And GM and Ford will need to pay MORE for their Just in time emergency delivery of auto parts.

More demand for pilots and we all get more PAY and don't have to live like slaves to a pager. At least not 24 hrs a day.

Of course when the price of charter goes up it will make more sense to some to have their own flight department instead of using charter... therefore there will also be more 91 jobs too.

When all those CFII s get 135 jobs there will then be a shortage of CFIs... CFI pay will go up from the ridiculous pay they command now.

PFT? I think now. There will be SIGNON Bonuses!

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Call them or page them. Any way you want. After they report for duty they have 14 hours from the time RESERVE started to complete the trip. This means duty will be LESS than 14 hrs.

Example:

Rest begins at 0000Z and ends at 1000Z
Reserve begins 1000Z

Pager goes off and you report for Duty at 1300Z

So Reserve ends at 1300Z

Duty begins at 1300Z and MUST END at or Before 2400Z.

looking back at 24Z you had 11 hrs of duty 3 hrs reserve and 10 hrs of Rest.

You cannot start duty at 1300Z then remain on duty until 0300Z for 14 hrs of duty. if you do that and look back 24 hrs you will NOT find 10 hrs of REST as the FARs require. You will find only 7 hrs rest in preceding 24.

OK, then anything that isn't rest is duty? And anything that isn't duty is rest? So, if you haven't been on duty (or standby) and your company tracks you down and asks you to fly, that is when your duty (or non rest) starts, right?

Ace

 

[gunfyter]

OK, then anything that isn't rest is duty? And anything that isn't duty is rest? So, if you haven't been on duty (or standby) and your company tracks you down and asks you to fly, that is when your duty (or non rest) starts, right?

Ace

No. All that is not duty is not rest. But that is how a lot of places are treating it now.

Sure if they track you down and ask you to fly you can go "on duty". You have been in rest as long as you had no obligation to be ready to go on duty or contactable... no obligation to be within 7 miles or even the same state or Country as the airport. No obligation to have been free from alcohol use etc.. and they just happen to find you.

But if you don't want to fly just don't let them find you... or ask them not to call you on your OFF time. Or you should be able to say sorry wish I could help but I just had a beer.

There has to be a stop put to this endless Standby or reserve.

 

[johnny taliban]

Once the FEDs really enforce this reg... it will be an equal playing field for everyone

Now that actually makes a lot of sense.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

No. All that is not duty is not rest. But that is how a lot of places are treating it now.

Sure if they track you down and ask you to fly you can go "on duty". You have been in rest as long as you had no obligation to be ready to go on duty or contactable... no obligation to be within 7 miles or even the same state or Country as the airport. No obligation to have been free from alcohol use etc.. and they just happen to find you.

But if you don't want to fly just don't let them find you... or ask them not to call you on your OFF time. Or you should be able to say sorry wish I could help but I just had a beer.

There has to be a stop put to this endless Standby or reserve.

I really, really want to agree with you, but I voted AGAINST bush. I like my money, but I like people to have the right to choose (sex, religion, abortion, etc). But, there's a time and a place for everything. Thanks for the 135 lesson. It was a while ago for me, but it helped me build time and get to where I am now.

Ace

 

[gunfyter]

No worries Ace,

I voted against Bush in 2000... because I thought he was too liberal

 

[rajflyboy]

gunfyter:


"Effectively
Time on the pager (or by a phone on reserve) PLUS subsequent Duty time must be = or less than 14 hrs. Available Duty time is reduced by the time required to be on a pager. Whether you have reported for duty or simply required to be on the pager by the phone or within some distance like 7 miles... the 14 hour clock is ticking"

Thats how you want to interpret the regs but unfortunately that is not how the FAA interprets the 135 rest requirements 99 % of the time. You being on a pager doesn't have anything to do with your rest.

Your best case scenario is for your company POI >> to interpret the reg the way you want him to. Unfortunately you won't find many POI's that interpret it that way. Thats why you can essentially be on call for 24 hours under part 135 regs.

Its all interpretation here. Bottom line is: Your interpretation or mine doesn't mean anything. Its all up to your operators POI! His interpretation is the one that counts.

121 procedures were changed a few years back. They took care of this problem. 121 pilots have shifts for reserve time. It was explained in a prior post. Sounds like you think your working for a 121 company and not a 135 company.

I would think that 135 regs will be changed to make it work more like the 121 operators. It makes sense. Time will tell on this.

Go fly 135 at most any 135 operator in the country and you will find out real quick what reality is. Reality. Its all about Reality. Not your personal interpretation.

Remember 91K isn't part 135. Your making an interpretation on a reg thats not even out yet.

Netjets isn't going to run 91K so don't get your hopes up.

 

[Ace-of-the-Base]

Netjets isn't going to run 91K so don't get your hopes up.

What does that mean?

Ace

 

[pilotyip]

Part 91 subpart K, Fractional operator rules.