Resigning Seniority

[commuterguy]

This is proving to be a much tougher decision than I imagined it would be. I've been offered a job with a regional, which I will admit seems like a blessing after being out of ANY work for 9 months. But they will make us give up or seniority/recall rights. The flip side is I have no good feeling for if or when the frac world will pick up and start recalling. It's turning my stomach trying to decide what to do...anyone who's crystal ball is working who wouldn't mind sharing some insight please do...mine broke long ago.

 

[OPECJet]

Depends on if unemployment has run out, which frac you're giving up rights to, whether that frac will still give you a recall even if you send in the letter, which regional, their outlook etc...

The only regionals I can think of hiring are Colgan, Whiskey, and Eagle.

Colgan - No way I'd give up recall rights. Might as well work at Home Depot or something of that nature.

Whiskey - Anybody's guess whether they'll furlough you when flying drops off, plus their future is uncertain.

Eagle - Non-existent upgrade, but that could change. Being tied to AA might be a bad thing though as all manner of labor issues are headed their way.

If you can do it, I'd explore things without wings for a while and wait out the furlough. Whatever you choose, I hope it's the right decisions for you, and wish you the best!

 

[brokeflyer]

just tell them you will give up your recall.....just dont actually do it. if they want you to sign something then sign it. it wont hold up in court if you quit to go back to your frac.

all those regionals are $hitbag operators that would sell you out in a second. Mkae sure you give them the same respect.

 

[Hung Start]

Broke,,,you are giving out bad advice.

I agree with you that most companies will sell you out in a second. All we are is a simple commodity,,, a wrench, a hammer,, whatever. When it wears out or breaks you just buy another.
But, to tell someone NOT to honor their word is just plain bad advice. If you have no value in your word,,your honor,,, why should I ever trust you???? Ever!!

You lie to them, you lie to me, it never ends.

Sorry, Broke. I know you are finished with the routine. You have done your time. I respect that and commend you for all the years you served this industry.

But remember. The ONLY thing you take to the grave is your honor. Don't mess it up.

Regards

Hung

 

[Amish RakeFight]

I'd tend to side with Broke. Fk'em!

 

[gunfyter]

I'd tend to side with Broke. Fk'em!

Me too. If they don't want people to leave ... raise the pay. " Make an offer you don't refuse..."

 

[jetwash]

If I recall correctly this question was brought up at FLOPS about a year ago with guys being asked to resign their seniority at FLOPS for other jobs.

The way I understood it was, when you are furloughed they put you in a frozen state and your resignation would not be accepted until they are ready to recall you. You will then be asked at that time if you still want to resign. Until then you can resign and withdraw the resignation anytime.

I don't know if this is at all Fracs or just at FLOPS or if I understood the procedure correctly.

Call your union MEC and ask them, they should have that info.

 

[Hung Start]

Me too. If they don't want people to leave ... raise the pay. " Make an offer you don't refuse..."

Absolutely no arguement on the pay. We all need to know our worth.

My point is the fact that we should never give an outright lie.

If they ask you to sign a letter of resignation, either you do, or you don't.

But don't compromise your ethics. Ever. Never ever.

Just because they are liers, cheats and thieves, you don't need to join them.

The gospel according to Hung.
That concludes today's lesson.

But I truly mean it.

Hung

 

[gunfyter]

Its an unfair labor practice unless they require all employees to similarly be anchored to the company, or they guarantee you a job for life....

As it stands ... one week after you start you can be furloughed... and then with no recall rights at the frac....

 

[cjdriver]

Agreed

 

[dime line]

remember "Your Honor" dosent put food on the table,(in this context). Most managements of today could care less about you. So in my book its just business, nothing personal

 

[Hung Start]

remember "Your Honor" dosent put food on the table,(in this context). Most managements of today could care less about you. So in my book its just business, nothing personal

Yes, I understand.

But the same explaination was used by people that crossed the picket line, by countless repressed people who turned a blind eye,,blah, blah, blah.
All I'm saying is if you talk the talk, walk the walk.

Don't lie. Don't compomise yourself.

I am not so nieve that I don't know how it works. But I don't choose to be part of that process. And, I'm doing ok.

Hung

 

[The Kman]

As far as the regionals are concerned, training contracts or seniority resignation letters are not worth the paper they are written on. I have signed a few and never had a problem getting out of them. Regardless, when the time comes for a recall, the company will call. Good luck.

 

[johnsonrod]

Don't give up your number. Tell them you did and that's it. I agree - the regional will furlough you the minute the economy starts to waver - and with Barry "the Socialist" Obama in charge, you can expect the economy to either grow at a glacial pace or dip again.

 

[dime line]

Yes, I understand.

But the same explaination was used by people that crossed the picket line, by countless repressed people who turned a blind eye,,blah, blah, blah.
All I'm saying is if you talk the talk, walk the walk.

Don't lie. Don't compomise yourself.

I am not so nieve that I don't know how it works. But I don't choose to be part of that process. And, I'm doing ok.

Hung

We will agree to disagree. Nothing personal, just business

 

[AftCG182]

Being former Colgan, I can tell you that Colgan is a sh!tbag operator. They'll use you for their purposes and hang you out to dry when it suits them.

The Pilot group is one of the best you'll ever work with.

If you have an opportunity there, plan to serve out the training contract... they'll most likely come after you if you don't finish it. While the pay is industry sub-standard, if you can grab a street Captain gig- go for it. It'll carry you through the rest of our tough times. Then make a break back to the Fracs.

JMHO, as always. Good luck-

 

[commuterguy]

Thanks for all the advice guys... I seriously feel like I'm between a rock and a hard place. A little more detail:

My frac doesn't have a union. Any resignation letter will be recieved as a resignation. End of story, that much I know.

The regional is having us sign something resigning our seniority on day one of class, they will then send it in to the former employer.

So in my mind the decision is 1) take the flying job during one of the worst pilot job markets ever and hope that getting into the cockpit will help me when mass hiring resumes

2) continue being unemployed and looking, while hoping my previous employer calls me back (which would be rather nice at this point, but no idea what they are doing)

 

[Hung Start]

We will agree to disagree. Nothing personal, just business

Good deal! :beer:

Cheers

Hung

 

[AppBrookie]

While furloughed from a major, I took a job at a LCC. Day 2 of Indoc, they made us sign a form letter resigning our seniority(70% of us were furloughed from a major). I am almost certain that the resignation was sent in on our behalf. I eventually went back to the major job and it was never mentioned. It just boils down to how your old company handles it, worth a call to find out.

 

[glasspilot]

Don't give up your number. Tell them you did and that's it. I agree - the regional will furlough you the minute the economy starts to waver - and with Barry "the Socialist" Obama in charge, you can expect the economy to either grow at a glacial pace or dip again.

Nice work bringing in politics! This is certianly the place and thread to discuss it.

- like him or not he IS the POTUS and deserves your respect, unless, of course, you prefer to wipe your a$$ with the US flag.

- a year ago the Economy was in a free fall. Mass starvation, 80% enemployment type free fall.

- when your main point is crazy, like calling the President a Socialist, or drawing a Joker face on him, or Rush makes sense, or Glenn Beck is on your side, then you KNOW you hooked your political wagon to the wrong party.


PS. I don't want these threads to go political either, but I'm not gonna let trash like that go by unchecked either.