Republic will be the next large National Airline

[king10pin02]

Bedford will continue to use Republic, Shuttle America, and Chautauqua as regional lift providers. There may be some incest going on, with CHQ flying as a contract carrier for Midwest, and republic flying 190's for Frontier, but these will still be contracted carriers with someone else's paint job. United cannot punish RAH for having Republic fly for Frontier, because United does not contract with republic, they contract with Shuttle and Chautauqua. Likewise, Delta cannot dump Shuttle America and Chautauqua because RAH flies Midwest 190's on the Republic certificate. On the surface, it seems that there are conflicts of interest all over the place, but remember that much goes on behind closed boardroom doors. RAH just gave the string pullers of TGP a cash return on their investment that they otherwise would not have gotten. It may be dimes on the dollar, but money is money. US Airways has been pumped full of RAH money, and will not bite the hand that feeds. United may not like RAH owning Frontier, but United is not in a financial position to call the shots right now. At this point, United has a minor dependency on the lift RAH provides them.


Only question is, how long does United have a contract with Shuttle and Chatauqua and how long is the Delta contract?

I can't believe these companies will be happy funding a competitor, and will be looking for reasons to dump the contract. With the number of regionals looking for contracts, I can't imagine that the contracts would be renewed if they can't find cause to dump them.

Bedford better have a plan for the future as a stand alone, I think it is coming no matter how clever he thinks he is.

as long as no other bk...2016 for 170/175, united 145s go away at end of 2009 and those planes go to midwest

 

[Broke in CVG]

Don't all pilots on Republic Holdings have to be on one seniority list?

 

[bizicmo]

I think it could happen. With the current world economic mess some of the major airlines will go bankrupt. It is only a matter of time for that. They all are bleeding cash, they all have bad balance sheets and the economy is not getting better anytime soon. I don't know what one or more will fail, but the time is coming. I don't know what republic's balance sheet looks like but I would bet that it's better then all the majors, excluding maybe swa. That puts them at an advantage to bid on the failed carrier's assets. We shall see.

 

[Minimaniac]

It doesnt matter how unorganized your company is when your employees are willing to work for food stamp wages. I wouldnt be surprised if they take a pay cut to fly a bigger airplane.

Hmm, let me think...uh, no.

Why would RAH pilots take a pay cut? My knowledge of RAH history goes back to 2001, and in that time no pay cuts were ever instituted. Look at how many airlines did make concessions to keep their jobs. RAH pilots did not.

Frontier is profitable with their current wages. Why would RAH pilots expect to work for less than a proven profitable wage on a given piece of equipment?

Frontier pilots will likely continue to fly the Airbus. Bedford asked the Frontier pilots to extend their current contract for three years. At no time did he ask them to work for a lower wage.

The problem with you making foolish statements is that at some point some one else on this site will believe you, and keep spreading your ignorance. Every other time I am in the jumpseat, I have to listen to some other airline pilot grill me about "facts" that they picked up on this site that are 180 degrees from the truth. Try to act like an adult. If you are not sure about something, ask. Don't just say things to fill in the holes of your understanding.

 

[king10pin02]

Don't all pilots on Republic Holdings have to be on one seniority list?

yes, one list is require per our contract

 

[dougdrvr]

Hmm, let me think...uh, no.



Frontier pilots will likely continue to fly the Airbus. Bedford asked the Frontier pilots to extend their current contract for three years. At no time did he ask them to work for a lower wage.

The problem with you making foolish statements is that at some point some one else on this site will believe you, and keep spreading your ignorance. Every other time I am in the jumpseat, I have to listen to some other airline pilot grill me about "facts" that they picked up on this site that are 180 degrees from the truth. Try to act like an adult. If you are not sure about something, ask. Don't just say things to fill in the holes of your understanding.

So how is that going to happen without violating your own contract? Or is that a foolish question?

 

[king10pin02]

So how is that going to happen without violating your own contract? Or is that a foolish question?

bedford promised the midwest guys alot of things (like a chance to fly the e170s on the midwest certificate) last fall that were also against our contract. he will say whatever it takes to get the deal done and im sure he would love to have the frontier/lynx pilot groups seperate from the rest of RAH so he can whip us against eachother. i speak for myself only but i will not vote yes to any relaxation of the scope in our current or future CBA.

 

[dougdrvr]

bedford promised the midwest guys alot of things (like a chance to fly the e170s on the midwest certificate) last fall that were also against our contract. he will say whatever it takes to get the deal done and im sure he would love to have the frontier/lynx pilot groups seperate from the rest of RAH so he can whip us against eachother. i speak for myself only but i will not vote yes to any relaxation of the scope in our current or future CBA.

Bedford didn't promise the Midwest guys anything. He only met with the ALPA reps yesterday. Whatever. A famous Ben Franklin quote comes to mind.

 

[CitationLover]

Bedford didn't promise the Midwest guys anything. He only met with the ALPA reps yesterday. Whatever. A famous Ben Franklin quote comes to mind.

Yes he quickly wants us under their wage rates. Oh joy!

 

[Tug Driver]

I have been trying to dig up some dirt on Bedford, but it looks like he is clean. I haven't found anything felony related. However I will get Lexis Nexus access tomorrow, so maybe then.

 

[QOL_is_great:)]

Do you think this will work? Does Brian Bedford have what it takes? I dont see how this is a smart business move. Republic has a niche as a regional airline..Wouldnt it be a much different business model to run an independent airline? Republic is the most unorganized and screwed up company I have ever worked for. I cant imagine them working as their own carrier.

Was this not tried a few years ago with ACA? We all have our place whether it's a person or a company. The Republic umbrella works and would be a shame to see it fold due to a change in mission. Many a job would be lost if they tried to change what they do within this crazy industry.

 

[Broke in CVG]

yes, one list is require per our contract

Wow, that's going to be one interesting seniority list integration fight.

 

[hockeypilot44]

yes, one list is require per our contract

I agree the contract says that. Has Bedford ever disregarded your contract before? I actually agree he will try to get all pilots on one list under Republic pay rates and work rules.

 

[S40Sailor]

Is F9 guys will have to go through Chuck Yeager radio voice training before they get integrated ?
Also, Is there a special training at RAH to memorize all the stupid call signs and who the f*** you scabbing for that day ?

 

[Bringupthebird]

Indy and Expressjet were too small and consumed too much money to build to a size where they could develop a profitable network. Bedford might not make the same mistake if he can tie alot of similar size airlines into a network that can compete with he majors he used to feed.

But that would take a staggering amount of money to put together.

 

[sshrae]

Is F9 guys will have to go through Chuck Yeager radio voice training before they get integrated ?
Also, Is there a special training at RAH to memorize all the stupid call signs and who the f*** you scabbing for that day ?

Well played sir.

 

[ABC123]

Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story

 

[hockeypilot44]

Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story

Go with your gut. If you feel the Midwest employees are getting screwed, it's because they are. They are replacing the well-paid Midwest pilots with cheap Republic pilots. It's been done before at the legacy level. This is the first time the entire airline is being replaced though. Call it an experiment. The Republic pilots are excited because the ones that are still there are never leaving. They think your regional airline will turn into a major. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but karma's a bitch.

 

[ABC123]

I have to admit, I was excited at first at this, Midwest will survive, and maybe this could work. But then Tuesday night, speaking with Midwest employees in MKE, in which I was expecting, nothing but the worse, considering everything that is happening. And they were the friendliest and most professional group I have dealt with. And the sad thing is, they have no idea what is going on with their own future.

I am sorry this is wrong, the employees of Midwest have a right to know what is going on. Who knows maybe they are waiting for the sale to finalized, or what not, but this is wrong leaving people hanging.

You want my gut feeling, after being in this business 22 years, if Midwest could stay operating the way it always has, with new more efficient aircraft, and Midwest staff, with the exception of the CEO, and the duties that are already carried out here in IND, I am for this, but if Republic Airlines has a say in how the company is ran, then it is screwed

 

[king10pin02]

Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story

midwest operating certificate its going away (per town hall pod cast)