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bigbird said:
Do you think this will work? Does Brian Bedford have what it takes? I dont see how this is a smart business move. Republic has a niche as a regional airline..Wouldnt it be a much different business model to run an independent airline? Republic is the most unorganized and screwed up company I have ever worked for. I cant imagine them working as their own carrier.
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Was this not tried a few years ago with ACA? We all have our place whether it's a person or a company. The Republic umbrella works and would be a shame to see it fold due to a change in mission. Many a job would be lost if they tried to change what they do within this crazy industry.
 
Is F9 guys will have to go through Chuck Yeager radio voice training before they get integrated ?
Also, Is there a special training at RAH to memorize all the stupid call signs and who the f*** you scabbing for that day ?
 
Indy and Expressjet were too small and consumed too much money to build to a size where they could develop a profitable network. Bedford might not make the same mistake if he can tie alot of similar size airlines into a network that can compete with he majors he used to feed.

But that would take a staggering amount of money to put together.
 
Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story
 
ABC123 said:
Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story
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Go with your gut. If you feel the Midwest employees are getting screwed, it's because they are. They are replacing the well-paid Midwest pilots with cheap Republic pilots. It's been done before at the legacy level. This is the first time the entire airline is being replaced though. Call it an experiment. The Republic pilots are excited because the ones that are still there are never leaving. They think your regional airline will turn into a major. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but karma's a bitch.
 
I have to admit, I was excited at first at this, Midwest will survive, and maybe this could work. But then Tuesday night, speaking with Midwest employees in MKE, in which I was expecting, nothing but the worse, considering everything that is happening. And they were the friendliest and most professional group I have dealt with. And the sad thing is, they have no idea what is going on with their own future.

I am sorry this is wrong, the employees of Midwest have a right to know what is going on. Who knows maybe they are waiting for the sale to finalized, or what not, but this is wrong leaving people hanging.

You want my gut feeling, after being in this business 22 years, if Midwest could stay operating the way it always has, with new more efficient aircraft, and Midwest staff, with the exception of the CEO, and the duties that are already carried out here in IND, I am for this, but if Republic Airlines has a say in how the company is ran, then it is screwed
 
ABC123 said:
Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.

1) According to the podcast of the Town Hall Meeting if the F9 deals goes through, they will remain a stand alone under an "Umbrella Clause". And will operate has they always have. Keeping a seperate seniority from the RAH Pilot and Dispatcher groups.

2) The Midwest deal has me baffled. I have seen pictures of the first 190 in YX colors and it just say's Midwest. Okay, Midwest is a subsidiary of RAH Holdings just like CHQ/Shuttle and Republic, am I correct? Then why wouldn't the 190's that are replacing the 717's be on Midwest's certificate? Or are they all going to Republic, and just flying under the Midwest Banner, and Republic will be flying and dispatching.
Isn't this sorta of screwing over the people of Midwest, since it was stated in the news conference that Midwest would remain the same just under new ownership.

I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story
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midwest operating certificate its going away (per town hall pod cast)
 
hockeypilot44 said:
Go with your gut. If you feel the Midwest employees are getting screwed, it's because they are. They are replacing the well-paid Midwest pilots with cheap Republic pilots. It's been done before at the legacy level. This is the first time the entire airline is being replaced though. Call it an experiment. The Republic pilots are excited because the ones that are still there are never leaving. They think your regional airline will turn into a major. Maybe it will, maybe it won't, but karma's a bitch.
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BA-DA-F'ING -BING! You can't help who you fly for, but wake the F' up and get involved!
 
ABC123 said:
Okay, I am just a stupid CHQ Dispatcher, so I am going to ask some questions.



I understand about the pilot groups being intergrated of the 2 companies, but I guess, after hearing numerous Dispatchers complain about Midwest and how they operate, (Customer Orientated), I cannot see this happening, without animosity.

So what is the story
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Did you really mean to say this? Your dispatchers are complaining because Midwest is Customer Oriented? Are you serial?
 
donkeykong said:
What's a town hall pod cast? Is that from BB or the IBT?
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it was from BB and some other big wigs right after the midwest and fronteir announcements, it was a 4 or 5 part video pod cast available only to republic employees. long question and answer session and this specific question was asked and that was his response.
 
ABC123 said:
I have to admit, I was excited at first at this, Midwest will survive, and maybe this could work. But then Tuesday night, speaking with Midwest employees in MKE, in which I was expecting, nothing but the worse, considering everything that is happening. And they were the friendliest and most professional group I have dealt with. And the sad thing is, they have no idea what is going on with their own future.

I am sorry this is wrong, the employees of Midwest have a right to know what is going on. Who knows maybe they are waiting for the sale to finalized, or what not, but this is wrong leaving people hanging.

You want my gut feeling, after being in this business 22 years, if Midwest could stay operating the way it always has, with new more efficient aircraft, and Midwest staff, with the exception of the CEO, and the duties that are already carried out here in IND, I am for this, but if Republic Airlines has a say in how the company is ran, then it is screwed
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So you are saying that you know whats going on with RAH and your future?
 
Right now the company line is Frontier will be a standalone operation and Midwest will be integrated according to CBAs. Meetings are occuring between Midwest and RAH employee groups, nothing has come out of these meetings. IBT is monitoring the goings on at the bankruptcy court in Denver.

Bedford sees the handwriting on the wall and knows the future of being a provider of lift to major airlines is not a sustainable or profitable venture over the long term due to the financial instability of major airlines. If a major that we have contracts goes into bankruptcy and fails it would be a devastating financial blow to RAH. This move gives Bedford a place to put these aircraft if that happens. The future of RAH is as a mid major airline, but there will still be some small jet contract flying, although it will not be the majority of our business. In three years you will not recognize any of these companies. Big changes are on the way once all the dust settles. I expect there will be as much consolidation as possible, maybe even combining some certificates if it will recuce costs.

The comparisons to Indy and Expressjet are comparing apples to oranges. Indy and Expressjet were flying 50 seat gas guzzlers, while RAH will be flying larger aircraft with better CASM. With this transaction, Bedford basically bought what cost Indy half a billion dollars to get: name recogition and narrowbodies. Indy burned through its cash for 6 months before establishing its brand and getting narrowbodies flying. With these aquisitions Bedford has all that with plenty of cash still in the bank.

Also it would be a huge mistake to give Bedford the leverage of seperate seniority lists. However this is worked out with Frontier, it is in everyone's bests interests to make sure the RAH scope is upheld. If it means fences or other protections for the Frontier people I'm all for it. I understand the F9 employees are not happy, but it is in everyone's best interests to work together, as we are all in Reverend Bedford's happy canoe if this deal goes through. If you think Bedford won't use seperate lists to his advantage in the future, I'd like to seel you a nice bridge in Brooklyn...cheap........
 
Thank you, I was at work and trying to listen to the podcast on a quiet night.

PLeae guys, I respect all the pilots I work with, well a majority, but I was at TWA, I can understand the YX;s pilot group frustration and other YX employee's frustration.
 
A Republic life?

I am just curious and have the following questions. If you like life there then say so and if ya don't then say so. I was a Shuttle guy back in the day when Shuttle was a stand-alone company then under Wexford Capital.

What is it really like to work for the Republic umbrella?
Is the QOL different from one of the carriers to the other?
What are average schedules/lines like?
How is the salary (seat, plane and yr)?
How are the benefits now days (health, dental, 401K, uniform replacement, O/T, meals and/or per diem)?

Good luck to ya cause we just ride the coaster that management picks.
 
Indy319FA said:
Right now the company line is Frontier will be a standalone operation and Midwest will be integrated according to CBAs. Meetings are occuring between Midwest and RAH employee groups, nothing has come out of these meetings. IBT is monitoring the goings on at the bankruptcy court in Denver.

Bedford sees the handwriting on the wall and knows the future of being a provider of lift to major airlines is not a sustainable or profitable venture over the long term due to the financial instability of major airlines. If a major that we have contracts goes into bankruptcy and fails it would be a devastating financial blow to RAH. This move gives Bedford a place to put these aircraft if that happens. The future of RAH is as a mid major airline, but there will still be some small jet contract flying, although it will not be the majority of our business. In three years you will not recognize any of these companies. Big changes are on the way once all the dust settles. I expect there will be as much consolidation as possible, maybe even combining some certificates if it will recuce costs.

The comparisons to Indy and Expressjet are comparing apples to oranges. Indy and Expressjet were flying 50 seat gas guzzlers, while RAH will be flying larger aircraft with better CASM. With this transaction, Bedford basically bought what cost Indy half a billion dollars to get: name recogition and narrowbodies. Indy burned through its cash for 6 months before establishing its brand and getting narrowbodies flying. With these aquisitions Bedford has all that with plenty of cash still in the bank.

Also it would be a huge mistake to give Bedford the leverage of seperate seniority lists. However this is worked out with Frontier, it is in everyone's bests interests to make sure the RAH scope is upheld. If it means fences or other protections for the Frontier people I'm all for it. I understand the F9 employees are not happy, but it is in everyone's best interests to work together, as we are all in Reverend Bedford's happy canoe if this deal goes through. If you think Bedford won't use seperate lists to his advantage in the future, I'd like to seel you a nice bridge in Brooklyn...cheap........
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Im all for a single seniority list. Except the top 700 numbers should be F9 pilots!

CYA
 
The pilots that were going to Southwest and Frontier were equally qualified. Frontier and Southwest are closer in pay and work rules than Republic and Frontier. Unfortunately, I think if Southwest invests in Frontier, Frontier will end up like ATA.
 
Texman, grow up.
 

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