Republic to operate 190s for Delta...

[ACL65PILOT]

Want to bet? With the current MEC leadership, nothing would surprise me. They could be sitting around right now figuring what kind of pay raises they can get for the widebody captains in return for giving up the 100 seaters.

Sad but true.
That happens and it is time to leave this industry.

I write my reps weekly. They better get the message. If not, we will have more than a mutiny on our hands.

 

[General Lee]

Sad but true.
That happens and it is time to leave this industry.

I write my reps weekly. They better get the message. If not, we will have more than a mutiny on our hands.

I don't think that is accurate. Sure, there are guys at the top that think only about themselves, but they were the guys not really affected during 9-11 and after. A lot of them are gone now, and the remaining ones are dwindling. A lot more of the DL pilots are not ex military also, meaning they know what we are dealing with. If the MEC continues to show it's lack of understanding of the RJ issue with respect to our members, then more than likely all the new reps will be ex NWA militant types, which is what we actually need right now. I don't forsee the 100 seater going to the likes of Comair or ASA without a big fight.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2009/05/28/327092/us-pilot-scope-here-to-stay.html

US pilot scope: Here to stay?
By Lori Ranson
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While the economics of operating 50-seat jets has put those aircraft at a disadvantage to larger 70 and 90-seat aircraft, the fundamentals of their emergence late in the last decade remain intact: namely US pilot scope clauses.
Scope caps the number of regional jets operated by carriers on behalf of their partners, and also limits the number of seats per aircraft. United, Delta, Northwest and US Airways all got some relief on the 50-seat cap during their respective stints in Chapter 11 during the early 2000s. But American and Continental are still largely constrained to operating 50-seat aircraft.
As Bombardier works to secure orders for its 100-seat CRJ1000 and CSeries aircraft and Embraer’s orderbook tilts towards the larger end of its 170/190 E-Jet family, it appears that aircraft with roughly 76-to 86-seats are becoming the new dividing point between regional and mainline aircraft. A few regional carriers operate aircraft in the 86-seat range, but most of the larger regional jets are constrained to the 76-seat category.

Some airline executives are taking a sober view of any further loosening of scope restrictions as Delta Connection senior vice president Don Bornhorst recently told Regional Airline Association convention attendees he was not optimistic about scope relief for Delta or the industry. He predicts the CSeries and E-195 are destined to become mainline aircraft.
United seems less cynical than Delta as it begins contract talks with its pilots. Through its four-year restructuring that ended in 2006 United ultimately struck a deal with pilots that currently allows for an unlimited number of 70-seat jets with an 80,000lb weight limit. Certain limitations are associated with that somewhat unfettered access including fewer regional block hours than mainline. There are also some restrictions on nonstop 70-plus seat operations between United hubs and specific larger markets such as New York and Washington, DC, unless those operations are cost-effective, according to data from F&H Solutions Group.
Carrier vice president operations and planning for United Express Cindy Szadokierski told convention attendees that in current pilot contract talks “obviously scope is an issue we need to work our way through. In this environment with capacity reductions we see opportunities on both sides to move forward and meet both our needs”.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...x?ItemID=29200

While acknowledging the challenge of predicting with any clarity the outcome of those labour talks Bombardier Commercial Aircraft president Gary Scott does offer that he “has no doubt majors would like to increase the number and size of aircraft they operate in those [regional environments]. Both small CSeries and larger CRJs would fill the requirement should scope be relaxed”.
But mainline pilot resistance to scope remains steadfast as evidenced by the roughly 32-month long contract talks between American Airlines and its pilots.
Seeking to get on a level footing with its US mainline counterparts American aims to secure relief to operate 76-seat jets with a maximum takeoff weight of 89,000lbs. In a recent round of negotiations with pilots American management compared the 25 single-class CRJ700s flown by its subsidiary American Eagle to 209 larger 70-plus seat regional jets flown by Delta Connection carriers, with 149 of those aircraft featuring a two-class configuration. United, says American, operates 112 larger regional jets configured with a two-class offering.
American pilots scoffed at the presentation, dismissing it as a “pitch for APA [the Allied Pilots Association] to allow a scope exception permitting Eagle to fly a 76-seat Embraer in a two-class configuration”.
The reaction by American pilots appears to be consistent with a theory posed by industry analyst Michael Boyd to attendees at the RAA convention that US pilots are “adamant” of not letting go of scope and “not loosening those strings”.

 

[lookin4better]

Want to bet? With the current MEC leadership, nothing would surprise me. They could be sitting around right now figuring what kind of pay raises they can get for the widebody captains in return for giving up the 100 seaters.

Lets hope not... it will be a large nail in the coffin of many careers.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I don't think that is accurate. Sure, there are guys at the top that think only about themselves, but they were the guys not really affected during 9-11 and after. A lot of them are gone now, and the remaining ones are dwindling. A lot more of the DL pilots are not ex military also, meaning they know what we are dealing with. If the MEC continues to show it's lack of understanding of the RJ issue with respect to our members, then more than likely all the new reps will be ex NWA militant types, which is what we actually need right now. I don't forsee the 100 seater going to the likes of Comair or ASA without a big fight.


Bye Bye--General Lee

That was the point General.
They wanted feedback about scope and CPS. They are getting it.
I agree, but we still have a lot of guys in the top 40% or so that feel cheated and will take whatever they can get out of the remainder of their career. I have flown with a few of them. They have flat out told me that they will vote for any pay raise, even if it means giving up more scope. They apologize but tell me they have given up too much pay to worry about planes they will never have to fly.
It is sad but true. Like I tell them, I am glad they only have one vote.
I do agree that we will be a much different group once we all intermingle. (IMHO for the better)

 

[deadstick]

The codeshare involves Midwest ONLY flying to MKE from ATL. They will NOT fly the E190s for DL throughout any part of the DL system. Also, they will use those E190s on routes from MKE to LA and SFO--stuff the 717s can't fly nonstop.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Seems like the who Midwest-NWA, and now Midwest-RAH have been test balloons sent up to test contracts. NWA and YX did establish a substantial codeshare agreement last year out of IND (coincidence?) where the YX flights would feed from MKE, but the connecting flight would be operated by NWA. What happened with this in the whole DAL/NWA deal?

 

[xjhawk]

Someone put a scenerio out to me one day, here it is, you be the judge.

Delta will sell Compass to Republic much as they sold ASA to skywest. They will get a solid contract for the long term operation of the E175's. Interesting......

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

That scenario can't happen.. it's bound in the agreement of how compass is created. There are some very very stiff penalties with selling CPZ. I can't remember the "deets" but needless to say they learned from the USair/Mid-Atlantic fiasco.

 

[luvz2fli]

Just look at the quick response to the attempted RAH 175AR modification.

What happened with the attempted RAH 175AR mod? I missed hearing about that

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What happened with the attempted RAH 175AR mod? I missed hearing about that

Weights cannot be used. But who paid for it and if those jets are at the new certified weights is up for discussion.......

 

[MCOE175]

From what MX has said the jets have the mods... but are limited to the old weights because DL scope.
Now mark my words what I am about to say will happen!

XY will go BK and RP will take over. The enhanced code share with DL will be there for them to sell seats on. When this happens S5 will no longer fly for DL and the planes will be moved to the RP cert. Now S5 will get 190's for Mukolele. UAL scope only limits the AC flown for them much like the airways scope. DL is the most restrictive.

Now Rev BB has 190's on property. Why do you think the 175's are not continuing on with DL.

Remember BB is is bed with DL and every other major airline. You think his savings and loan company is not an attractive option for airlines that need cash.

 

[JoeMerchant]

So why is it OK for Alaska or Midwest to codeshare with aircraft larger than 70 seats....but not CMR, ASA, SKYW, or Shuttle...double standard? How about the international codeshare....They fly "big airplanes".....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Only 70 seats on AK flights are allowed to be codeshared, from what I remember. No way I'm searching through the contract to respond to Joe.

As far as the EMB thing.. it's time to do some rummaging and searching in regards to that.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Only 70 seats on AK flights are allowed to be codeshared, from what I remember. No way I'm searching through the contract to respond to Joe.

As far as the EMB thing.. it's time to do some rummaging and searching in regards to that.

So if ASA or CMR or SKYW wants to fly a 737 with only 70 seats as Delta...that is OK?....double standard for "regionals" and "majors"......

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Getting tired of flying your small airplanes, Joe?