Republic to operate 190s for Delta...

[deadstick]

The codeshare involves Midwest ONLY flying to MKE from ATL. They will NOT fly the E190s for DL throughout any part of the DL system. Also, they will use those E190s on routes from MKE to LA and SFO--stuff the 717s can't fly nonstop.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Seems like the who Midwest-NWA, and now Midwest-RAH have been test balloons sent up to test contracts. NWA and YX did establish a substantial codeshare agreement last year out of IND (coincidence?) where the YX flights would feed from MKE, but the connecting flight would be operated by NWA. What happened with this in the whole DAL/NWA deal?

 

[xjhawk]

Someone put a scenerio out to me one day, here it is, you be the judge.

Delta will sell Compass to Republic much as they sold ASA to skywest. They will get a solid contract for the long term operation of the E175's. Interesting......

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

That scenario can't happen.. it's bound in the agreement of how compass is created. There are some very very stiff penalties with selling CPZ. I can't remember the "deets" but needless to say they learned from the USair/Mid-Atlantic fiasco.

 

[luvz2fli]

Just look at the quick response to the attempted RAH 175AR modification.

What happened with the attempted RAH 175AR mod? I missed hearing about that

 

[ACL65PILOT]

What happened with the attempted RAH 175AR mod? I missed hearing about that

Weights cannot be used. But who paid for it and if those jets are at the new certified weights is up for discussion.......

 

[MCOE175]

From what MX has said the jets have the mods... but are limited to the old weights because DL scope.
Now mark my words what I am about to say will happen!

XY will go BK and RP will take over. The enhanced code share with DL will be there for them to sell seats on. When this happens S5 will no longer fly for DL and the planes will be moved to the RP cert. Now S5 will get 190's for Mukolele. UAL scope only limits the AC flown for them much like the airways scope. DL is the most restrictive.

Now Rev BB has 190's on property. Why do you think the 175's are not continuing on with DL.

Remember BB is is bed with DL and every other major airline. You think his savings and loan company is not an attractive option for airlines that need cash.

 

[JoeMerchant]

So why is it OK for Alaska or Midwest to codeshare with aircraft larger than 70 seats....but not CMR, ASA, SKYW, or Shuttle...double standard? How about the international codeshare....They fly "big airplanes".....

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Only 70 seats on AK flights are allowed to be codeshared, from what I remember. No way I'm searching through the contract to respond to Joe.

As far as the EMB thing.. it's time to do some rummaging and searching in regards to that.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Only 70 seats on AK flights are allowed to be codeshared, from what I remember. No way I'm searching through the contract to respond to Joe.

As far as the EMB thing.. it's time to do some rummaging and searching in regards to that.

So if ASA or CMR or SKYW wants to fly a 737 with only 70 seats as Delta...that is OK?....double standard for "regionals" and "majors"......

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Getting tired of flying your small airplanes, Joe?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Getting tired of flying your small airplanes, Joe?

Actually, I miss the ATR....I don't care what I fly as long as I have a great schedule....which I have....I don't care about the size of the airplane...but I do want to grow my company....which is good for me.......

 

[Superpilot92]

Actually, I miss the ATR....I don't care what I fly as long as I have a great schedule....which I have....I don't care about the size of the airplane...but I do want to grow my company....which is good for me.......

Good luck! risking your career on a regional is pretty ballsy. How much time do you have left Joey?

 

[JoeMerchant]

Good luck! risking your career on a regional is pretty ballsy. How much time do you have left Joey?

My plan is to go part time retired in 10 years....Any career in this business is a crapshoot.....Hasn't worked out well for those who went to USAir, TWA, Eastern, PanAm, or United....better for those who went to DAL, SWA, UPS, and FedEx....Nothing is a "sure thing".....So far so good considering the 3 downturns I've seen....

 

[tinpusher101]

Doesn't Midwest's codeshare with DL/NW alreaady involve them flying their B717, as they are currently and have been flying. Why does everyone think that just becuz RW is going to be operating E190 is is a violation of DL scope?

 

[MCOE175]

With the DL buyout you might see more scope relief... HOPE NOT. But only offering 9 months of flight pay to leave is not that much!

 

[General Lee]

With the DL buyout you might see more scope relief... HOPE NOT. But only offering 9 months of flight pay to leave is not that much!

This buyout was targeted at senior NWA pilots who already have a frozen pension at about $12,000 a month, for the REST OF THEIR LIVES. They are nearing 60 or just above it, and probably want out anyway. 9 months pay is about $140,000---which after taxes might be a good down payment on a lake house in Central Minnesota. (especially in this market) The top 1000 guys at NWA probably hit that category. What would keep them flying you ask? The health insurance coverage is a bit weak, at 3 months. If we have to go back to the table, DL may want to add a bit more to that. Why would DL want to do that? If those guys stay and the 742 pilots (all senior--Capts and FOs at least) would bump a lot of other NWA pilots down (not Delta S guys yet because this will be done prior to certificate merge)---and that will cost Delta even more money. It behooves DL to try to buy people out, rather than spend more on all of that training. Furloughing from the bottom would not help the costs at all, and in fact would displace every Compass pilot and training would then take forever and be very costly.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[DOVPILOT]

(Maybe even a Delta painted tail for good measure.)

Why not just a plane blue tail, Im sure they will have a couple of those floating around

 

[PuffDriver]

So why is it OK for Alaska or Midwest to codeshare with aircraft larger than 70 seats....but not CMR, ASA, SKYW, or Shuttle...double standard? How about the international codeshare....They fly "big airplanes".....

As usual, you do not know what you are talking about.

Just a bunch of :bawling::bawling::bawling:

 

[Superpilot92]

My plan is to go part time retired in 10 years....Any career in this business is a crapshoot.....Hasn't worked out well for those who went to USAir, TWA, Eastern, PanAm, or United....better for those who went to DAL, SWA, UPS, and FedEx....Nothing is a "sure thing".....So far so good considering the 3 downturns I've seen....

I agree its all a crapshoot. Had i stayed at my old regional i would have been downgraded indefinitely. By leaving XJT i now make $13 more on second year pay than i did as a CA before. Could I have foreseen that when i left? No. Its all about luck and timing. You'll never know what the best decision is until you retire but for me I couldnt risk my career on any regional. With that said, I'm young so it made sense for me personally. We'll see :beer:

 

[ACL65PILOT]

At a min, the DCI contracts and level of profitability of said regionals is going to go down in the next decade.
That may not effect your job security Joe, but it will effect how much you are compensated for it.
DAL is not going to fight a lot of these out in court, they will wait for the contracts to hit their five year reset points, and then the end of each contract. It will come very clear in a year or two, what ALL DCI carrier have to look forward to in regards to how they are compensated for performing said flying.
IMHO ASA is the best insulated to this, as you still have 11 years of your contract. That does not mean they will not amend it, it just means that you will still have flying to perform.