Republic- Taking us all down

[AV1ATRX]

I read a lot but don't post much. However, I'm finally ready to ask a question. I've seen many, many people referring to "bottom feeders" and how all these regional pilots made bad choices that resulted in the destruction of the industry. My question is this: for the next generation coming along, what airlines are bottom feeders and which one's aren't? My fate is sealed already, so the answer won't affect me personally. I am curious, however, what all the pilots who have gone before and have all the wisdom would recommend?

Also, which regional airlines are "innocent" in all this? I'm being serious, guys. This is not a joke. Which regional airlines are acceptable at this point? And why? Or are the next genereation supposed to get their time through some other means and then apply to majors? What would your advice be? Think carefully before you respond. I am sincerely interested in your responses.

 

[buscap]

Crickets!!

But none of us are guilty. The scope-it-out-for-cash mainline pilots own this turd!!!

I am so glad they crapped this one though. I'm stuck here, but at least I'm stuck at a better place than I would be without their shortsighted scope!!!

 

[kf4amu]

My question is this: for the next generation coming along, what airlines are bottom feeders and which one's aren't? My fate is sealed already, so the answer won't affect me personally. I am curious, however, what all the pilots who have gone before and have all the wisdom would recommend?

I'd say any regional that is growing. No regional grows because they provide good service or run a better operation. The only thing the majors care about when they want more flying is price. As we saw with the Buffalo crash, they can distance themselves if something bad happens and point to the FAA standards and say they were "well trained and experienced". Until then, they pay as little as possible.

 

[Scope out RJ's]

Crickets!!

But none of us are guilty. The scope-it-out-for-cash mainline pilots own this turd!!!

Hey turd! Maybe you in your infinite wisdom ever heard of RFP???
It's because of that you find yourself stuck where you are!

I am so glad they crapped this one though. I'm stuck here, but at least I'm stuck at a better place than I would be without their shortsighted scope!!!

I'm glad your glad. Next time your ********************ty company gets undercut by another ********************ty company for flying, thank them!

 

[lookin4better]

Republic pilots had nothing to do with Midwest situation whatsoever.

Exactly true! But most dont get it... they put out their bottom lips and pout, and blame other pilots for their situations.... which was the airline executives plan in the first place. Way to play right into their hands.

 

[DX Rick]

Blame it on the major guys when the RJ first came to light. They were too good to fly those little jets, now it's biting the whole industry in the arse.
To the original poster, you're just upset your carrier didnt get these airplanes, otherwise you'd be just fine flying those planes for what ever the pay was.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

blah... blah...blah
Who did this and who did that? Who caused this and who caused that? Who gives a rip? The mainline guys didn't want to fly those little toys jets. At the time they were proposed they didn't have to want them. Nobody was going to a Legacy carrier to fly a barbie jet. NOBODY can see the future. It would have been better if they got them on property because then junior FOs could bid Captain and new hires were on property with the chance to bid off eventually. In time the Majors would have seen the poor Cost per seat mile of those things and would have stopped delivery or they would have gotten rid of the real planes like the DC-9 in favor of the smaller jets. The domestic flying would have still been going to the little jets with less chance of moving out of them. The pay would still have been lower than their peers on other equipment. Eventually, the cost to operate those things would have not made the bean counters happy and they would have sold the things off to the t-prop operators anyway or given them to their wholly owned carriers to operate at lower wages. That is the only way to make money with them. Why would a carrier fly more flights with less seats and pay top end pay when they can pay more on bigger jets with more seats and keep their unit costs down? These pipe dreams of getting better regional contracts is pathetic. Every time a regional did get a better contract they got chopped off at the knees with their block hours and the flying was given to a cheaper carrier. It would have happened either way. Deregulation caused companies to compete in an open market. That is capitalism and that is what all those right wing nutjobs stroke off too until it makes an impact on their lives in a negative way. Wasnt regulation kind of socialist? So, a new company like Southwest, Airtran, Jetblue, or whatever would still come along. A new company has cost advantage. New planes and younger and newer workforce that have a long way to go before majority make top of wage scale. Plus, you start without pension funds. Those funds which are nice if you are lucky to retire and cash the checks are economic suicide for any company longterm. Just look at the Social Security nightmare and all the government pensions and entitlements that still drain enormous percentage from budgets. So, the new companies would still have come along with cost advantage and hurt the Legacies over time. Now add the impact of fractional ownerships. Those are thousands of people flying everyday that used to pay first and business class walk up fares. That was bread and butter for the Majors. It is easy to hate mangement and rightfully so. I hate them simply because they were smarter than me and they learned how to become rich and I didnt but they exploit they very system that Americans love which is capitalism. The whole concept of it is based on winners and losers. Someone cannot have everything if everyone has something. Get it? Airline mangement win and we lose. Sucks to be us. I have met some of the coolest people at the Majors. They were lucky to be born earlier and get in when the getting was good. They are Captains at legacy carrier and make a good living. It isnt what it used to be but it is better than a lot of people make who work a lot harder. They do what everyone does and that is protect what they have. It is amazing how those on the bottom always want everyone to share the wealth but as soon as they find the golden path they pucker up tighter than new white guy in prison. America loves winners and we worship that and we hate when we lose. A lot of pilots are losing and they are pissed. I dont blame them. As for the regional pukes. You know who you are. I am not talking about the guy working at a tprop company that decided to buy jets. Seriously, who would say no thanks I will just quit and have my principles? Principles? In this country? Uh huh, and fat women should believe they are beautiful. Those old tprop salts are not the majority of regional pilots anymore. The majority are the little snotrags that were waiting for a few hundred hours so they can go get a jet job and then bo back to FBO in their uniform and sunglasses. Come on, I know many are reading this who did that. As well, as all these vomit inducing pics all over the internet(facebook and myspace etc . . .) of the geeks who take pictures of themselves in uniform and and in the plane or near the plane blah blah blah. How many were actually moving from one regional to another for bigger planes? LOTS. In '04, '05, ' 06 it was like max exodus. How many little pukes were trying to get on with the Republic of Shataqua to get on the 170? How many bid for bigger planes as an FO for same pay? (ugh) Yeah, you know it is true. If you idiots think you are going to get a contract that bites into the profit margins of the execs then you better stop re-living your last trip on your computer flight sim and pay attention. The only way these bigger RJs are worth it to any company is to pay little and make you work longer and harder. If it costs them more then the majors will find someone else. The legacy pilots might have unwittingly started this by turning down the bed that their egos were too big to lie in but you snotrags jumped in and got cozy and are now fueling it. I never flew an RJ. I like flying with adults at a major. The one thing ALPA needs to do first above all else is to get Flight Attendant standards from the 60's back. The 3-G network is working my last nerve.

 

[Airline Driver]

In 1978, there was a Lil' Ole' thing called Deregulation. That was the corner Stone of everything that came after. Pilots are their own worst enemy too. They are the first to say to their fellow pilots, I'm behind you 100%, but in the next breath will sell them down the river to better their own situation. Management gets, greedier and greedier, and pilots are unwilling to work with them to have some what of a happy medium.

One company is not responsible for the Airline industry tuning itself inside out and upside down. It is a culmination of past actions by both Pilots, management and government that started this process rolling over 30 years ago. Not much surprises me in this industry, and I am a firm believer that the minute you say, "THAT CAN'T HAPPEN" or "THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN", it Probably will at some point. But seeing as how right now, RAH is doing something a little different than the norm, lets all blame them because they and they alone took down the airline industry. Give me a break!!

I get a kick out of this sight because we have allot of idiots on hear who have absolutely no common sense. Not to mention they lack the open mindedness of seeing the big picture and understanding the history of the facts at hand!!

 

[Quack]

Republic just put a bid out for 50 upgrades and a 190 base in denver...as the world turns

 

[The Drizzle]

Republic just put a bid out for 50 upgrades and a 190 base in denver...as the world turns

Vacancies, yes. Upgrades, no.