Republic- Taking us all down

[UND_Sioux]

Believe it or not regionals do not make money for the major, they are a cost. I’ve been in management and seen the numbers. Regionals cost about 20% average more seat cost. So why do they do it? The same reason an airline making money with paid for aircraft goes out and leases expensive brand new planes. EXOs are corrupt, they get kick backs on leasing company’s and aircraft company’s and yes from the regionals they do business with. They really don't care about profit, they play with the numbers and explain it to stockholders that they're more fuel efficient, frequency, bla bla bla lie lie lie. Also it's a union-busting tool that has been working great. What do they do when profits get to low? They park the the planes that are paid for and aren't making money (getting kickbacks)off of the leases and lay off employee's. That's why Airlines, like Southwest, that don't have this corruption always flurlish. You'll never see them hire a regional, why do you think AirTran quickly trashed the idea. They're a cost!
I can assure you, it's not pilot pay. A 70 seat pilot making 70k, a 120 seat making 120k, if there is a difference it's hugely minimal. It's economy of scale, if the regional model really was efficient, they would be flying around lear jets with with 4 pax a flight. Remember a 747 still has the highest profit per pax than any other aircraft, although the 777 is very close.

Look. Everybody always talks about how outsourcing is or is not more expensive. Most of you guys have no idea what you are talking about. The reason outsourcing is done is not because of the direct operating cost of the pilots, mechanics, etc...

The administrative costs of having an employee on the payroll are high. For each employee you have, you have a proportional number of HR people that deal with benefits etc..; lawyers, workers comp insurance premiums; health insurance premiums; rent on facilities for said employees, IT costs for said employees; and the list goes on and on.

When you subcontract all of the flying to a "vendor", all of those administrative costs go out the door. Remember this: it only takes one accountant to write a check to Skywest, RAH, Air Wisky, Pinnacle, etc..., but it may take hundreds to manage all the extra employees you'd have if those employees were on the mainline payroll.

 

[dooork]

This article will enlighten.
http://www.flightglobal.com/article...w-republic-chief-executive-bryan-bedford.html

 

[B727FA]

And don't forget a 10th kid...

That's the number reason they keep a 135 on the certificate; so they can non-rev somewhere.

 

[B727FA]

The one thing ALPA needs to do first above all else is to get Flight Attendant standards from the 60's back. The 3-G network is working my last nerve.

I'll bet they might have a few things just a smidge more important.

 

[AirBill]

If Republic/Mesa/Colgan pilots demanded what they should get paid for those aircraft, there would be no incentive for Major's to subcontract the flying.

Republic had a 18 percent profit margin...where do you think that came from? The pilots. No wonder they can afford to buy other airlines.

Big words coming from a corporate driver. Ever played the game above the minors?

 

[BoilerUP]

Big words coming from a corporate driver. Ever played the game above the minors?

Not that I'd ever defend kf4amu, but are you implying that bizav pilots operate in "the minors"?

 

[FO 4 Life]

Not that I'd ever defend kf4amu, but are you implying that bizav pilots operate in "the minors"?

Don't worry Boiler, kf4amu is only in triple A. He's flying a light twin also.:laugh:

 

[Beaver79]

You could not possibly be more wrong. If mainline APLA had not allowed the outsourcing of mainline flying, it would not make squadoosch for difference whether the 20 year old had SJS or not. He would have had to pay his dues. The bar was lowered by the 40-60 year old mainliners who didn't keep the flying in house.

The bar was lowered by the customer - the traveling public who refuses to pay a fair price for a ticket. It has nothing to do with mainline pilots...remember, they once shoveled crap at one point as well.

 

[Steveair]

http://www.jsonline.com/business/62881972.html

I don't care what Republic guys say... you willingly took a job flying 170's with horrible pay. What did you think was going to happen.

 

[BoilerUP]

The bar was lowered by the customer - the traveling public who refuses to pay a fair price for a ticket. It has nothing to do with mainline pilots...remember, they once shoveled crap at one point as well.

If mainline pilots had not sold their scope, then there wouldn't be any small jets flying around under mainline code without mainline pilots in the cockpits.

 

[BoilerUP]

I don't care what Republic guys say... you willingly took a job flying 170's with horrible pay. What did you think was going to happen.

Wasn't Skywest flying 70 seaters for 50-seat pay when you were hired there back in 2005?

 

[Popeye0537]

http://www.jsonline.com/business/62881972.html

I don't care what Republic guys say... you willingly took a job flying 170's with horrible pay. What did you think was going to happen.

I don't care what Skywest guys say...you willingly took a job flying CRJ700's for 50 seat pay. What did you think Jerry was going to do...? Give you a raise...ah ahha hha hahahaha

 

[kf4amu]

Don't worry Boiler, kf4amu is only in triple A. He's flying a light twin also.:laugh:

Light twin for 99 seat pay at RAH! How sad!

 

[BlackPilot628]

http://www.jsonline.com/business/62881972.html

I don't care what Republic guys say... you willingly took a job flying 170's with horrible pay. What did you think was going to happen.

What a ****************************** bag. Coming from a freakin SKW guy

 

[FO 4 Life]

Sorry about that kf4amu. I just read my post and meant to pick on AirBill for his remark. The light twin applies to him and his 170/190.