Republic- Taking us all down

[The Drizzle]

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Who did this and who did that? Who caused this and who caused that? Who gives a rip? The mainline guys didn't want to fly those little toys jets. At the time they were proposed they didn't have to want them. Nobody was going to a Legacy carrier to fly a barbie jet. NOBODY can see the future. It would have been better if they got them on property because then junior FOs could bid Captain and new hires were on property with the chance to bid off eventually. In time the Majors would have seen the poor Cost per seat mile of those things and would have stopped delivery or they would have gotten rid of the real planes like the DC-9 in favor of the smaller jets. The domestic flying would have still been going to the little jets with less chance of moving out of them. The pay would still have been lower than their peers on other equipment. Eventually, the cost to operate those things would have not made the bean counters happy and they would have sold the things off to the t-prop operators anyway or given them to their wholly owned carriers to operate at lower wages. That is the only way to make money with them. Why would a carrier fly more flights with less seats and pay top end pay when they can pay more on bigger jets with more seats and keep their unit costs down? These pipe dreams of getting better regional contracts is pathetic. Every time a regional did get a better contract they got chopped off at the knees with their block hours and the flying was given to a cheaper carrier. It would have happened either way. Deregulation caused companies to compete in an open market. That is capitalism and that is what all those right wing nutjobs stroke off too until it makes an impact on their lives in a negative way. Wasnt regulation kind of socialist? So, a new company like Southwest, Airtran, Jetblue, or whatever would still come along. A new company has cost advantage. New planes and younger and newer workforce that have a long way to go before majority make top of wage scale. Plus, you start without pension funds. Those funds which are nice if you are lucky to retire and cash the checks are economic suicide for any company longterm. Just look at the Social Security nightmare and all the government pensions and entitlements that still drain enormous percentage from budgets. So, the new companies would still have come along with cost advantage and hurt the Legacies over time. Now add the impact of fractional ownerships. Those are thousands of people flying everyday that used to pay first and business class walk up fares. That was bread and butter for the Majors. It is easy to hate mangement and rightfully so. I hate them simply because they were smarter than me and they learned how to become rich and I didnt but they exploit they very system that Americans love which is capitalism. The whole concept of it is based on winners and losers. Someone cannot have everything if everyone has something. Get it? Airline mangement win and we lose. Sucks to be us. I have met some of the coolest people at the Majors. They were lucky to be born earlier and get in when the getting was good. They are Captains at legacy carrier and make a good living. It isnt what it used to be but it is better than a lot of people make who work a lot harder. They do what everyone does and that is protect what they have. It is amazing how those on the bottom always want everyone to share the wealth but as soon as they find the golden path they pucker up tighter than new white guy in prison. America loves winners and we worship that and we hate when we lose. A lot of pilots are losing and they are pissed. I dont blame them. As for the regional pukes. You know who you are. I am not talking about the guy working at a tprop company that decided to buy jets. Seriously, who would say no thanks I will just quit and have my principles? Principles? In this country? Uh huh, and fat women should believe they are beautiful. Those old tprop salts are not the majority of regional pilots anymore. The majority are the little snotrags that were waiting for a few hundred hours so they can go get a jet job and then bo back to FBO in their uniform and sunglasses. Come on, I know many are reading this who did that. As well, as all these vomit inducing pics all over the internet(facebook and myspace etc . . .) of the geeks who take pictures of themselves in uniform and and in the plane or near the plane blah blah blah. How many were actually moving from one regional to another for bigger planes? LOTS. In '04, '05, ' 06 it was like max exodus. How many little pukes were trying to get on with the Republic of Shataqua to get on the 170? How many bid for bigger planes as an FO for same pay? (ugh) Yeah, you know it is true. If you idiots think you are going to get a contract that bites into the profit margins of the execs then you better stop re-living your last trip on your computer flight sim and pay attention. The only way these bigger RJs are worth it to any company is to pay little and make you work longer and harder. If it costs them more then the majors will find someone else. The legacy pilots might have unwittingly started this by turning down the bed that their egos were too big to lie in but you snotrags jumped in and got cozy and are now fueling it. I never flew an RJ. I like flying with adults at a major. The one thing ALPA needs to do first above all else is to get Flight Attendant standards from the 60's back. The 3-G network is working my last nerve.

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tl;dr

 

[CRJ puppy]

Paragraphs can be your friend.

See how much easier this is to read?

Have a pleasant evening.

 

[Erlanger]

Republic is taking over. Now they're opening a Denver base.

 

[BoilerUP]

Republic is taking over. Now they're opening a Denver base.

They've had a DEN base once before...

 

[ALPO]

DIVIDE AND CONQUER...You idots are playing right into managments hands..instead of blaming the greedy slave driving EXOs, you blame your fellow pilot, yeah it's the Republic pilots fault. Ok, who allowed all this regional flying, if your goning to blame pilots why don't you blame the "all for me senior legacy pilots" who gave up scope to protect there own wealth and screwed all those to come after them. There was a time they all had scope that said they fly all turbojet aircraft, PERIOD. Delta pilots were the first to let Comar fly CRJs for they're own priviate gain. $h1t went downhill from there.
Please stop Mesa, Republic, GoJets, bla bla bla, and focus constructively and do something maters.

 

[Captain Morgan]

DIVIDE AND CONQUER...You idots are playing right into managments hands..instead of blaming the greedy slave driving EXOs, you blame your fellow pilot, yeah it's the Republic pilots fault. Ok, who allowed all this regional flying, if your goning to blame pilots why don't you blame the "all for me senior legacy pilots" who gave up scope to protect there own wealth and screwed all those to come after them. There was a time they all had scope that said they fly all turbojet aircraft, PERIOD. Delta pilots were the first to let Comar fly CRJs for they're own priviate gain. $h1t went downhill from there.
Please stop Mesa, Republic, GoJets, bla bla bla, and focus constructively and do something maters.

Exactly!!! I've been preaching this for some time now.

 

[acpilot]

DIVIDE AND CONQUER...You idots are playing right into managments hands..instead of blaming the greedy slave driving EXOs, you blame your fellow pilot, yeah it's the Republic pilots fault.

Jim Taggart would be pleased...

 

[enuffalready]

not even about blame.. its about power and leverage.... there is not a regional pilot or pilot group that has ANY leverage nor any power. this is all up to the legacy/major/national/whatever. The can have fun little name like 'scope out rj's' or whetever but this is 100% a direct result of their actions and decisons.

would be better if they had names like ' scope out my idiotic decisons', but hey, this is the new USA. we give ribbons for 73rd place and are used to blaming others for our poor decisions.

 

[BoilerUP]

Jim Taggart would be pleased...

And Dagny would be pissed.

 

[ultrarunner]

Which regional airlines are acceptable at this point? And why? Or are the next genereation supposed to get their time through some other means and then apply to majors?..

Man, that's a tough one....

Remember, there are always persons and companies out there willing to sell a young CFI whatever it is they want to hear.

I fully support an ATP as a minimum for ANYONE getting hired at a 121 carrier. And this will be a VERY good thing, as all the PFT'ers and such will have to get real jobs, gain real experience, etc...before getting on.

This will immediately reduce the supply...another good thing, at which point salaries will go up. Regional outfits just wont get as many pilots willing to give up the pay these folks may be earning to lure them into a 30 dollar an hour FO spot. Some will, but not many, IMHO.

In time, this will fix quite a bit. You're still going to have MEC's convince it's members to relax scope, but that's their own fault!