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Wall Street has also become increasingly worried about Republic's future. Its shares are down 13% over the last quarter, while shares in rival JetBlue are up 9% during the same time frame. Frontier's Milwaukee hub, which serves the East and Midwest, and its Denver hub, which serves the West, the South, and Mexico, would be valuable to a larger carrier. Airline mergers and buyouts like the Continental/United deal and Delta's takeover of Northwest are popular in the industry because they allow for personnel reductions and route cuts -- as well as trimming the number of aircraft that have to be maintained. Two airlines together can have a better margin than separately. Frontier is a buyout target; its brand is not.
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Way to go Bryan. ******************** up a great airline in 18 months.

Be nice to have a mulligan with WN

Gup
 
Nice quote scoreboard. Borders is going bankrupt, Frontier is a buyout candidate, but much more fun to blur the distinction for anyone who skims your post. It is an interesting article, regardless.
 
I could see a merger of virgin amercia,jetblue and frontier and called "virgin blue" ....it would give them a great coast to coast route structure which would allow for growth and competition against southwest, IMHO.
 
Not a very interesting read, and the source is as speculative as the rumors in ground school. Thanks for sharing, none-the-less. I know some who agree it's ripe for a buyout.
 
Frontier is a gonner, Republic even more so. That amalgamation of regional feeders isn't going to work this time just like it never worked in the past. We have to get rid of all republic flying across the board.
 
I think the RAH pilots would love nothing more that to merge with JB or Virgin. However how would this work. After the SLI is done at RAH, which will happen way before a merger, you can't merge just the A320 operation. You would have to merge all of the fixed fee for departure also. As this involves 4 other Legacy carriers this would be an interesting event to say the least. Sure the fleet type's would merge well with the A320's and E-190, but a merger would include all the types and pilots that come with them. Not sure how this would all go down. As after the SLI RAH will all be one company and all the pilots will be on one seniority list. This would have to be a hostile takeover and buyout, which I think we all know BB has to big of an ego to let that happen and would rather run the place into the ground.
 
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BB has a few more plays up his sleeves. They are low on cash and need a code share partner, or a buyout though.
 
I guess BB's direct line to God has been disconnected.
 
$$$4nothin said:
I think the RAH pilots would love nothing more that to merge with JB or Virgin. However how would this work. After the SLI is done at RAH, which will happen way before a merger, you can't merge just the A320 operation. You would have to merge all of the fixed fee for departure also. As this involves 4 other Legacy carriers this would be an interesting event to say the least. Sure the fleet type's would merge well with the A320's and E-190, but a merger would include all the types and pilots that come with them. Not sure how this would all go down. As after the SLI RAH will all be one company and all the pilots will be on one seniority list. This would have to be a hostile takeover and buyout, which I think we all know BB has to big of an ego to let that happen and would rather run the place into the ground.
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As long as the certificates remain separate this is easily gotten around. For RAH to sell off the F9 certificate, pilots included after the SLI would be quite simple. Nothing says you have to buy a whole company.

Plus I'm not so sure it is fair to say the SLI will be done way before a merger. Merger = engaged business interests anxious to get a deal done.. SLI = One man whose schedule is preset 4 months out and has no vested interest in completion.

Just sayin.


Oh and Frontier has been ripe for a buyout since about 07. I need a job where I get paid to state the obvious.

cale
 
Tweet-a-Lishus said:
Damn that awful southwest, they wanted to staple Frontier to the bottom of their list with 45-55 % pay raises. SHAME ON THEM!
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Damn that awful Southwest, whose epic hubris let them walk into a complex deal unprepared and outmatched in the court by Bedford of all people. Damn that awful Southwest for trying to get by on their laurels alone, not bringing nearly enough money to the table, in the process screwing up what could have been a good thing. Damn that awful Southwest for artfully crafting a narrative wherein FAPA takes the blame for scuttling a deal that was in fact fumbled by SWA themselves.

Damn this board, damn this thread, damn this damn industry.
 
SWA brought exactly the amount of money to the table that the deal was worth to them. When the ante went a penny higher, they walked. It had NOTHING to do with the pilots. That is a fact.
 
Outmatched in court by Bedford? It's starting to look like RAH paid to much. I just hope the AAI pilots don't get to greedy and end up like Frontier. I know, I know that would never happen, because Bond Macaskill will not let it.
 
Alaska could extend their reach with an acquisition, and have more of a national presence. They have the money. But alas won't happen to conservative of a company.
 
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Alaska could extend their reach with an acquisition, and have more of a national presence. They have the money. But alas won't happen to conservative of a company.
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But they are too smart to buy a bunch of airbus and a route system that does not make money. Organic growth is ALK's MO.
 
I hope to be gone from Republic in 2011!

Little old Chautaqua sure has changed since I was hired 6+ years ago, but the pilot contract is the same.
 
Republic brings nothing but the remnants of Frontier and what little is left of Midwest to the table. They will not merge the rj operation with any lcc like jet blue or bigger. Too much conflict with all the money they suck off the legacy's to stay afloat. Without that money from the legacy's RAH is nothing....except the Frontier operation and the remnants of Midwest. They are more like a renter than a owner of anything.
 
Its too bad RAH ever took over Frontier and Midwest. Everyone would have been better off without it. Including RAH pilots. IMHO.
 
Pretty bold move to bite the hand that feeds you. When RAH purchased Midwest and Frontier that's exactly what happened. Did anyone think DAL and UAL wouldn't notice a feeder was in direct competition? I'm sure the capacity agreements run for a while, but new business is scarce.

After what they pulled with the lack of integration of Midwest Airlines crew members, not many people will feel bad for RAH.

Karma can be a real bitch.
 
Sorry folks, when I watched that undercover CEO show, it revealed how clueless Bedford was in knowledge of running an airline. He's doing this for one reason, bottom line, golden parachute, sorry folks, it's over.
 
Maybe someone will acquire Frontier in the same manner RAH acquired Midwest. That should work out good for 'em, right? Just like it's worked out for the MEH folks, right. Good, just so we all agree!
 
Ahhh, if I had a dollar for every time somebody said we were dead here at Frontier. Granted, I'm not saying it can't or won't happen, but it still is funny how the sky seems to have an infinite capacity to fall.


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Yes, let's all be concerned about this article. Below are two other articels from the same authoer, Douglas A. McIntyre. In 2009, it was speculated that 12 brands would disappear...in 2010, ten would be gone by the end of the year. The links are below.

2009...http://247wallst.com/2009/04/15/twelve-major-brands-that-will-disappear/

1. Avis
2. Borders
3. Crocs (footwear)
4. Saturn
5. Esquire Magazine
6. Gap (GAP) Old Navy and Banana Republic...note, all three were at risk in 2009.
7. Architectural Digest Magazine
8. The Chrysler brand
9. Eddie Bauer
10. Palm
11. AIG
12. United Airlines, AMR (AMR) and US Air (LCC)

How many of these have actually disappeared?

2010...http://247wallst.com/2009/12/02/the-ten-brands-that-will-disappear-in-2010/

1. Newsweek
2. Motorola
3. Palm
4. Borders
5. Blockbuster
6. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
7. Ambac Financial Group
8. Eastman Kodak
9. Sun Microsystems
10. E*Trade

Are we seeing a pattern here with how reliable this author is about the companies that will be gone forever each year? Palm and Borders have been making the list for the past couple of years. United Airlines was supposed to be gone, but alas, is still around.

In fact, look at the 2008 list (http://247wallst.com/2008/01/24/the-large-us-co/) and try not to laugh...Sears, Qwest, Yahoo, Sprint, Ford, and Citigroup, all of which I think are still around.

Me thinks Douglas A. McIntyre should get a new job because so many of his predictions seem to be companies that continue to stand the test of time. Frontier, we will see you in the air for decades to come.
 
I think Frontier will be spun back off the rj operation and run alone. RAH will go back to being a regional feed for the majors.
 

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