Republic Airways to buy 10 jets from US Airways

[ableone]

AWA is a startup. A bottom feeder startup that managed to stay around because pilots flew for nothing, which then put pressure on the wages on the legacy carriers. AWA was a joke. Lots of Wienair Alaska and Ansett sc*bs.

You sound like you are getting upset.

As I told you many of our pilots were striking Continentals and ex Eastern, Peoples Express etc etc. But you can't believe what you did not make up yourself.

As for pay -

I have given you the first year pay under AWA's first contract ($35,000) at a time that USAir was paying their first year pilots - wait for it - less than $23,000. ( This is pre bankruptcy/LOA/Giveback versions 1 through 5)

Prior to the first ALPA contract the new hires and FOs were paid poorly - about what USAIR paid in the first four years but the B-747 captains were earning north of $250,000. This was in the late 1980s and that was real money.

They even had a division called America West Sc*b Export operation.

Really, it was called Sc*b Export?

That operation was taking jobs from veteran pilots downunder. Trying to paint a rosy picture of AWA is just pain wrong. Some one must suffer from stockholm syndrome.

Not painting a rosy picture at all, just presenting the facts - which are;

AWA paid more money in the first year than you have ever earned and more than legacy USAir offered.

AWA workrules are significantly better than what USAir east has now, or even what they are attempting to achieve in the next contract. (They appear to bring a whole new classification to the word dumb.)

At least two TWA captains left gainful employment to take a chance on AWA - it can't be nearly as bad a picture as you attempt to paint.

M

Nice try at your usual spew.

Why don't you try posting a few things that are factual instead of tidbits from your father's rants, which you happen to hear at the family dinner table.

Why don't you also get a job that allows you to move out of mommy and daddy's house.

 

[ableone]

BTW, AWA pilots on furlough continued to accrue longevity (this was under the much maligned first contract) so when they were eventually recalled, they came back in the door at seven and eight year pay-rates.

Did it work this way at AAA? No? Sounds like USAir was kind of a bottom feeder airline to me.......

 

[MCDU]

USair East is now a bottom feeder operation since the 2 BK's.
Kind of like AWA in the 80's and 90's.
M

 

[ableone]

USair East is now a bottom feeder operation since the 2 BK's.
Kind of like AWA in the 80's and 90's.
M

But in the 80's top captain pay at AWA was over $250,000, first year pay was higher than USAir and recalled furloughees (USAir did not have recalls until about 1998) got paid as though they had continued to accrue longevity.

Sounds to me like AWA was pretty good in the 80s and 90s.

USAir had pilots on furlough and did not even let them accrue longevity while on the street.

Now of course USAir has slid downhill even more. Why did they not just die and get out of the way? Would that not have been a better outcome for pilots eveywhere?

Answer my question MCDU, have you ever earned $35,000/yr or more in aviation?

 

[Colonel Savage]

What about having to buy stock in AWA as a condition of employment in the 80's?

 

[AutoBus]

AWA is a startup. A bottom feeder startup that managed to stay around because pilots flew for nothing, which then put pressure on the wages on the legacy carriers. AWA was a joke. Lots of Wienair Alaska and Ansett sc*bs.

They even had a division called America West Sc*b Export operation. That operation was taking jobs from veteran pilots downunder. Trying to paint a rosy picture of AWA is just pain wrong. Some one must suffer from stockholm syndrome.

M

AWA managed to acquire us airways!! current ceo = AWA parker, lakefield = seeking other opportunities (ie fired, failed, gone, history)

 

[AutoBus]

GIA, AWA, Mesa, Trans States, ValueJet, Skybus, Eastwind.

It takes one to know one. AWA brought down this industry. No question about it. Just look what the pay rates and contract was like before 2000. An absolute disgrace. Mesa Grande. Thanks AWA pilots for lowering the bar and helping setup todays pilot pay.

M

Sorry mcdush, AWA was among the highest starting pay airlines during the 1990's (except for fedex, as I recall), why? they liked pilots with 5000-7500 of hard time, not low time "equal opportunity" pilots (like useless airways).


Ok, I grant you year two was higher at the old east operation, but how many people actually got much beyond year two, before the sh*t hit the fan again?

But, the easties are still screaming for parity with AWA rates today, so the AWA contract must not have been too bad, eh?

 

[Scope out RJ's]

But in the 80's top captain pay at AWA was over $250,000, first year pay was higher than USAir and recalled furloughees (USAir did not have recalls until about 1998) got paid as though they had continued to accrue longevity.

Sounds to me like AWA was pretty good in the 80s and 90s.

USAir had pilots on furlough and did not even let them accrue longevity while on the street.

Now of course USAir has slid downhill even more. Why did they not just die and get out of the way? Would that not have been a better outcome for pilots eveywhere?

Answer my question MCDU, have you ever earned $35,000/yr or more in aviation?

Here, let me help you out with Mcdoosh's greatest hits:

Marty claiming to have started at US Air in 1997

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848411

Marty saying he doesn’t work for US Air.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1195007]#post1195007

Marty claiming to be a UAL pilot.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345

Marty recently claiming not to work for Us Air.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1830329#post1830329

BTW, he likes to be referred to by his nickname.....Doosh!
Enjoy!

 

[Cowboy75]

Here, let me help you out with Mcdoosh's greatest hits:

Marty claiming to have started at US Air in 1997

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848411

Marty saying he doesn’t work for US Air.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=848465#post848465

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1195007]#post1195007

Marty claiming to be a UAL pilot.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1224345#post1224345

Marty recently claiming not to work for Us Air.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?p=1830329#post1830329

BTW, he likes to be referred to by his nickname.....Doosh!
Enjoy!

How many McD's are on this forum? Would the real Marty please step forward?

 

[Golden Falcon]

Lots of Mesa and Trans States. Many of them could not get hired by any of the majors and ended up flying for Mesa Grande. They did not care that they were flying 757's for commuter wages and workrules. They just wanted to fly a big airplane and not a 1900 or J 31.

Note: this applies to pilots hired prior to 9/11/01. After this date AWA had many qualified applicants that were hired by the majors or could have.

M

Mesa (then called "Risley's raiders") was a B99 operator(4) of them at the time, and Transtates was called something else and flying Metros at the time..when AWA started..Wein Air is correct, and the scab-export operation wasnt until 7 yrs later during the '89 Aussie pilot dispute..and don't forget the "Three Amigos"...