Republic Airways to buy 10 jets from US Airways

[Dan Roman]

"Many" left SWA to go back to US air in 98? Try 1. One solitary idiot.

That guy was made fun of for his sheer stupidity. He left a Capt. seat at SWA to go back to us air...hoping steven wolf would save the day and he would have the career he always envisioned

That guy was an idiot, as is anybody still hanging on to the dream that the old us air...the one that was a great place to work for about 13 months in the mid 80s, will EVER return.

That was a good response to Flightinfos resident village idiot, but I have to disagree with your 13 month statement. USAir and Piedmont used to be two of the best jobs in the industry. They also were two of the financially strongest airlines in the industry. Once they merged it was a steady downhill spiral.

 

[Full of LUV]

Yes, I remember....

That was a good response to Flightinfos resident village idiot, but I have to disagree with your 13 month statement. USAir and Piedmont used to be two of the best jobs in the industry. They also were two of the financially strongest airlines in the industry. Once they merged it was a steady downhill spiral.

Actually, back in 2001 on the original FI, right here, someone posted an article from like 1988 where it described the working conditions, industry leading contract, and general attitude of how wonderful everything was with growth and new airplanes. When you read the article, you thought it was a current "feel good" piece about SWA, only to realize at the end that the article was from 1988/9 and was written about US Air.
Too lazy to try to search for the post, not sure if the database goes back to then.
LUV

 

[ableone]

Not gonna happen.

AWA pilots were flying big airplanes at RJ wages back in the 90's, with no pension and no real work rules. They lowered the bar to gain quick upgrades and to fly big jets, which shows you that there are always pilots that will work for alot less. Now most legacies are even with AWA rates.

This put pressure on the legacy airlines work force. Its a vicious cycle. The crappier the company, the faster the upgrade when airlines are hiring.

M

So AWA pilots lowered the bar?

Tell me about GIA.

Did they pay you to train or did you pay them?

Do they offer an industry leading pay and work package or are they the worst of the worst?

So the GIA pay for training puke is going to lecture AWA pilots about how they "brought down" the industry.

You are a tool.

 

[MCDU]

GIA, AWA, Mesa, Trans States, ValueJet, Skybus, Eastwind.

It takes one to know one. AWA brought down this industry. No question about it. Just look what the pay rates and contract was like before 2000. An absolute disgrace. Mesa Grande. Thanks AWA pilots for lowering the bar and helping setup todays pilot pay.

M

 

[reepicheep]

usair never had "2-3 year upgrades", not even in the 80's. More like 5-6. 2-3 was Piedmont, the first of 3 good airlines they ruined.

And let's not forget we can all thank usair for leading the way in destroying pension benefits industry-wide.

The retard who quit SW left 'cause he was died-in-the-wool easthole and didn't fit in so he went back where everyone else was miserable like he was.

 

[ableone]

GIA, AWA, Mesa, Trans States, ValueJet, Skybus, Eastwind.

It takes one to know one. AWA brought down this industry. No question about it. Just look what the pay rates and contract was like before 2000. An absolute disgrace. Mesa Grande. Thanks AWA pilots for lowering the bar and helping setup todays pilot pay.

M

Even under the old AWA contract a new hire was paid a base salary of $35,000 which is actually more than USAir's then first year pay.

Pay began on the first day of orientation.

How much did GIA pay for the first year? When did the pay begin?

AWA started up and had two ALPA contracts.

The first one was negotiated while AWA was in chapter 11. How well did USAir do during their own CH11 negotiations? Not nearly as well.

The second contract was negotiated while under the control of the ATSB but still resulted in better pay and working conditions.

AWAs vacation accrual, training pay, deadhead pay, sick policies, and a host of other items are better than what USAir has now or has had in the past.

I think you are right - USAir really lowered the bar when they gave everything away. It would have been much better had they done the honorable thing and simply died.

BTW, you still have not answered - what is your connection to USAir. Am I correct that your father works there and that you still live at home?

 

[MCDU]

Am I correct that your father works there and that you still live at home?

Yep its true. You got me.

M

 

[Scope out RJ's]

I'm pretty sure SW didn't start by a fee for departure scheme for a major airline partner, while providing low-cost (pay) outsourcing.

Shhhhhh. Don't try to force any logic on this scab!
Remember, he paid for training to get hired at ASA! It's the only way he could have gotten hired!

 

[Scope out RJ's]

GIA, AWA, Mesa, Trans States, ValueJet, Skybus, Eastwind.

It takes one to know one. AWA brought down this industry. No question about it. Just look what the pay rates and contract was like before 2000. An absolute disgrace. Mesa Grande. Thanks AWA pilots for lowering the bar and helping setup todays pilot pay.

M

Doosh:
Ask your man love what LCC has done for the legacy carriers. Most regionals pay better than that ******************** hole! They were the first to drop their pensions, take paycuts that undermined even mesa, and you talk about MESA, TSA, Valujet, Skybus, and Eastwind? What do they all have in common? They pay better than LCC! You better get out there and serve more fries doosh, your man can't support you on that LCC pay!:laugh:

 

[ableone]

Am I correct that your father works there and that you still live at home?

Yep its true. You got me.

M

You never seem able to counter arguments. Spewing tripe about the evil west appears to be your only play.

 

[AutoBus]

GIA, AWA, Mesa, Trans States, ValueJet, Skybus, Eastwind.

It takes one to know one. AWA brought down this industry. No question about it. Just look what the pay rates and contract was like before 2000. An absolute disgrace. Mesa Grande. Thanks AWA pilots for lowering the bar and helping setup todays pilot pay.

M

Perhaps MCDUsh, but four years into this merger AWA pilots STILL make more than the Easties,

 

[Golden Falcon]

Just out of curiosity, where did many of the original AWA hires come from??

 

[MCDU]

Just out of curiosity, where did many of the original AWA hires come from??

Lots of Mesa and Trans States. Many of them could not get hired by any of the majors and ended up flying for Mesa Grande. They did not care that they were flying 757's for commuter wages and workrules. They just wanted to fly a big airplane and not a 1900 or J 31.

Note: this applies to pilots hired prior to 9/11/01. After this date AWA had many qualified applicants that were hired by the majors or could have.

M

 

[ableone]

Lots of Mesa and Trans States. Many of them could not get hired by any of the majors and ended up flying for Mesa Grande. They did not care that they were flying 757's for commuter wages and workrules. (Speaking of work rules. I just realized that those east pilots don't get full pay to deadhead, their duty rigs are pathetic and they can be re-routed at will. What a sleazy way to bring down other pilots workrules. A-)
They just wanted to fly a big airplane and not a 1900 or J 31.

Note: this applies to pilots hired prior to 9/11/01. After this date AWA had many qualified applicants that were hired by the majors or could have.

M

As usual Mcdu is wrong. Just making crap up to conform to his pitiful world view.

When AWA started up most of the street captains, and other early hires, came from defunct carriers like Peoples Express, Eastern and Pan Am. There was a large batch of non-scab Continentals, and a few on-demand 737 pilots.

Some guys decided a start up was preferable to throwing the dice at their operation. A few TWA captains left and came over to AWA as did - drumroll - some USAir pilots. (These guys really have nothing good to say about AAA )


It is just hilarious that MCDU, a GIA - pay to pretend - dude, talks tough about other pilots working for poor pay.

Again MCDU, what exactly did GIA pay you?

Have you ever been paid to fly an airplane?

How much have mommy and daddy sunk into your flying "career"?

BTW Mcdu, I posted AWA's old contract first year pay scale $35,000/yr - have you ever earned $35,000/yr flying anything?

 

[MCDU]

AWA is a startup. A bottom feeder startup that managed to stay around because pilots flew for nothing, which then put pressure on the wages on the legacy carriers. AWA was a joke. Lots of Wienair Alaska and Ansett sc*bs.

They even had a division called America West Sc*b Export operation. That operation was taking jobs from veteran pilots downunder. Trying to paint a rosy picture of AWA is just pain wrong. Some one must suffer from stockholm syndrome.

M