Republic Airways to Acquire 10 Embraer 190AR Aircraft from US Airways

[Sherpa]

Mesa Sucks too! (stockholders excluded)

 

[Airline Driver]

First of all, no never worked for MESA. I understand the dynamics of pilots looking for work and the only way to advance is to take the available work. I'm not bashing the pilots, it's human nature, it will take the Major pilots to stop the erosion of what is a major pilot job, I get that.

Boiler up, what is the "unintended consequence" you are afraid of? Pie in the sky, it would just take some cooperation between ALPA/APA/ and SWAPA to work. Determine the MINIMUM for the profession and only let professionals ride the jumpseat.
Don't complain that VA is undercutting anything while the other majors (and regionals) subsidize their labor costs by providing free rides to all their employees who cant afford to work out of SFO.
If negotiated, you won't be breaking RLA because there is no "god given" right for VA, or RAH pilots to JS on any major. There is no "strike", it would just be RAH's unwillingness to raise their pay to the level of professional carrier that would prevent them from utilizing everyone Else's metal to transport their crews to and from work.
I think that RAH would be at the table quickly, they have to staff their planes. The Minimum wouldn't be anything that was unsustainable, but it would make it a tad harder to keep selling interisland HI tickets for $29 each way.
Boiler, you need to "cowboy up" and lose the defeated attitude, otherwise nothing will ever change. If we have a union, then lets use it. If not, then save the dues and everyone for themselves.
LUV

Your an Idiot and can't see beyond the end of your nose!!! Take the blinders off before spew crap like this.uke: We all want better work rules and pay and we all strive for that!!! THERE IS NO RAH PILOT WHO IS SATISFIED WITH OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS. Negotiations take time and do not happen over night. Things have drastically changed over the last few months at RAH in case you have not noticed. You can't just snap your fingers like a genie and have things get fixed in the blink of an eye!!

 

[richav8ter]

I think everyone sees what is happening at an alarming rate. It's not a jumpseat war if it's universal. NOTHING will move RAH to the negotiating table faster than for its pilots, UNABLE TO COMMUTE TO WORK, stranded all over the countryside due to shifting bases and sub par wages.
ALPA has nads, it sets the standards for minimum pay and workrules for EVERY aircraft and then works to get jumpseat authorized to carriers who participate.
Is it a profession or not? That is the question. If you want help getting RAH to the table, well that's your motivation. When the teamsters goes to the company and says...."due to our subpar wages and lousy workrules, we have been blacklisted off of every ALPA jumpseat as of Jan, and we don't have the manpower at our bases to staff the airline without the free rides, so fix it now, or we're done!"
The ALPA carriers won't resist too bad as they are as much the potential victims of RAH's shenanigans as anyone. I bet with proper planning you could even get SWAPA, and APA on board!
It's not a war, it's setting a STANDARD! A MINIMUM if you will! Some may still negotiate higher, but they should not tolerate being used to undercut eachother any longer.
What's the problem with this scenario? If the regional pay was standardized and indexed to inflation by the union, you'd be amazed at how the company would have to play ball, or they would not be able to support their schedules. How many Comair pilots live in greater NY area? How many regional pilots live in Hawaii? How many RAH pilots commute all over the place? All subsidized by the industry in the way of jumpseat and pass travel.

I almost like this idea.


i am however not a commuter.

 

[Bluestreak]

Well,Luv and Rich,RAH (according to the press release) operates 294 airplanes-that means a LOT of ALPA pilots left sitting at the gate-you sure you want to go there ? Taking 1800 jumpseats a DAY out of circulation will hurt quite a few innocent people trying to get to work.

 

[Sig]

Your an Idiot and can't see beyond the end of your nose!!!

I can start an engine that requires one button push, one clock hack, one lever movement and and eye on 4 gauges. It is a purely manual affair, and I have to do it twice to move my plane into the 3rd dimension.

I can also call someone out without such a feck-arsed delivery.

Bonus points: Spot the pun in the first paragraph, and put it on BB's fridge.

 

[pb1900]

Quite sad for the US domestic airline scene as US and Jetblue tried to operate the 190 at some semblence of a mainline rate, now the US part is gone. It's going to be Jetblue holding the bag defending the 190 as a mainline machine.
If RAH wants to operate them at such low rates, it's time for ALPA to do something about it and have all ALPA carriers amend their contracts to ban RAH pilots from a free ride until the carrier offers appropriate compensation for the mainline 190. Which ALPA carrier wouldn't go for that? DAL, UAL, heck even SWA and Airtran all want to compete against RAH's 190's on an even basis, not at some subpar labor basis.
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Relax dork. Denying jumpseats already? Go back to flight sim and stop posting on here k? Did you help get SWA your payrate or did you just smell a good thing and hop on board?

 

[pb1900]

They've already been denied jumpseats at Gojet. I agree with that. Sub par pay means you're on the pseduo scab list.

OMG Go jets? Your kidding right? Deny all day long I wouldn't fly with you turd bags any day. You couldn't fly your way out of a brown paper bag. Go jet pilots would F*c% up an easter egg hunt! lol

 

[pb1900]

I think everyone sees what is happening at an alarming rate. It's not a jumpseat war if it's universal. NOTHING will move RAH to the negotiating table faster than for its pilots, UNABLE TO COMMUTE TO WORK, stranded all over the countryside due to shifting bases and sub par wages.
ALPA has nads, it sets the standards for minimum pay and workrules for EVERY aircraft and then works to get jumpseat authorized to carriers who participate.
Is it a profession or not? That is the question. If you want help getting RAH to the table, well that's your motivation. When the teamsters goes to the company and says...."due to our subpar wages and lousy workrules, we have been blacklisted off of every ALPA jumpseat as of Jan, and we don't have the manpower at our bases to staff the airline without the free rides, so fix it now, or we're done!"
The ALPA carriers won't resist too bad as they are as much the potential victims of RAH's shenanigans as anyone. I bet with proper planning you could even get SWAPA, and APA on board!
It's not a war, it's setting a STANDARD! A MINIMUM if you will! Some may still negotiate higher, but they should not tolerate being used to undercut eachother any longer.
What's the problem with this scenario? If the regional pay was standardized and indexed to inflation by the union, you'd be amazed at how the company would have to play ball, or they would not be able to support their schedules. How many Comair pilots live in greater NY area? How many regional pilots live in Hawaii? How many RAH pilots commute all over the place? All subsidized by the industry in the way of jumpseat and pass travel.

I can't believe you got hired at Southwest, I bet you must be a pleasure to hang out with for 3-4 days. Your probably the guy everyone slam clicks and goes and hangs out without you. Do us all a favor and disappear.

 

[Full of LUV]

Well...

Your an Idiot and can't see beyond the end of your nose!!! Take the blinders off before spew crap like this.uke: We all want better work rules and pay and we all strive for that!!! THERE IS NO RAH PILOT WHO IS SATISFIED WITH OUR CURRENT CONDITIONS. Negotiations take time and do not happen over night. Things have drastically changed over the last few months at RAH in case you have not noticed. You can't just snap your fingers like a genie and have things get fixed in the blink of an eye!!

Actually y'all are the shortsighted ones who can't see past your next commute to see a long term strategy. I'm NOT advocating a one man jumpseat war or even a one company jumpseat war. I'm advocating a strategy where the unions actually work together to establish a MINIMUM payrate for every piece of mainline and/or regional equipment and then negotiate a way to enforce companies to rise to the professional level of pay and bennies or find a way for their workforce to show up for work.

If I were in charge, this would be a one year process, so all companies would know months in advance where they stood. If the lowball companies decided not to go along, it would be an industry standstill, but RAH would have more to lose by shutting down a majority of ops. I believe they would play ball.

All you guys are so focused on getting to work this weekend, you see a few posts about a way to gain some leverage in the industry and freak out. What ALPA would lose in this is much leverage for getting too far ahead of the minimum payrates, but then again, if a reasonable minimum was set and tied to inflation many more would benefit. Then as pilots we could get back to arguing whose is bigger and whose jets are shinier.

Much negotiation would have to be done to establish what a credible minimum is for each type and include workrules into the equation.

Hope your not too blinded by the shiny jet at the end of the jetbridge to see a possible industry strategy.
Luv

 

[Full of LUV]

We're here to help....

Relax dork. Denying jumpseats already? Go back to flight sim and stop posting on here k? Did you help get SWA your payrate or did you just smell a good thing and hop on board?

No one is advocating denying a jumpseat this or next month. This would be more of a year long process in which all pilots help give RAH pilots the leverage that they need to get to a real wage for the 190 at least.

Most had hoped that the 190 would maintain a major status with rates on par with Jetblue or at least compass, but alas the plane is leaking down into the regional payscales. Therefore, it's time to make sure the payscales support having the 190 at mainline.

It's time for an industry wide "line in the sand" where the unions work together to prevent another plane lost to the pay for departure crowd.

I'm talking about helping you achieve a good contract, so I do believe you need to relax.