REJECTED by 83%!

[Mickey Mouse]

You're simply feeding his point my friend. Our (LXJT) reserve rules don't suck. As he stated, let's retain our (best of XJT + best of ASA) work rules and compensation at current book values. It just so happens that the "book value" of the LXJT scheduling section is significantly better than that of the LASA section. So with regards to that section of the contract, we start from that set of rules.

No more looking at this divisively. Today's resolution shows that we are indeed unified. We can't be played against one another.

They tried that, and thanks to LASA, they've massively failed.

EDITED TO ADD: forgive my weak example of the scheduling section above. I'm not familiar enough with the existing CRJ contract to say with conviction that ours in significantly better in all areas, just trying to reinforce the original point of MM.

You give a nice nod to the L/ASA pilot group. Let me give one to the L/XJT pilot group. You guys were strong from the start, and it provided an impetus for solidarity. Cheers

 

[PBRstreetgang]

We need to get the word out that PSA guys and Endeavor guys are pushovers. I'm sure the Major pilots don't want this type of guy on their lists.

But they are managements wet dream candidate....

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Trust me, you don't want SKYW pilots anywhere near your voting, the Koolaid doesn't have to be very strong to get them to bite. Single carrier petition, look it up, not very difficult to find, want one, file the petition.
http://files.ali-aba.org/thumbs/datastorage/skoobesruoc/pdf/25JamesSingleCarrierCG055_thumb.pdf

Or:
14 NMB 218, 236 (1987).
The Board finds a single transportation system only
when there is substantial integration of operations, financial
control, and labor and personnel functions.
Burlington N.
Santa Fe Ry. Co.
, 32 NMB 163 (2005);
Huron and Eastern Ry.
Co., Inc.
, 31 NMB 450 (2004);
Portland & Western R.R., Inc.,
31
NMB 71 (2003);
American Airlines and Reno Air
, 26 NMB 467
(1999). Further, the Board has noted that a substantial degree
of overlapping ownership, senior management, and Boards of
Directors is critical to finding a single transportation system.
Precision Valley Aviation, Inc., d/b/a Precision Airlines and
Valley Flying Serv., Inc., d/b/a Northeast Express Reg?l Airlines
,
20 NMB 619 (1993).

I can't tell you how many I've flown with that are wetting themselves because they're so excited to vote yes to Chipaways offer of a 0% raise...

 

[doh]

Well done.

 

[pilotyip]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

 

[JustaNumber]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

Everyone fears being Comaired, but the real story of Comair is that the pilots took the concessions to save their jobs, and look where it got them. Comair's fate was decided long before and irrespective of the pilot group votes.

That was one of the reasons I voted no--with no management assurances from voting either direction, I just didn't see how a 2% savings in only one department in a company was going to change the fate of the company or the industry. We're kidding ourselves if we think our vote made a difference either way in winning new contracts or getting wound down. Our fate has most likely already been determined, long before we ever voted.

 

[ASAFOE120]

Everyone fears being Comaired, but the real story of Comair is that the pilots took the concessions to save their jobs, and look where it got them. Comair's fate was decided long before and irrespective of the pilot group votes.

That was one of the reasons I voted no--with no management assurances from voting either direction, I just didn't see how a 2% savings in only one department in a company was going to change the fate of the company or the industry. We're kidding ourselves if we think our vote made a difference either way in winning new contracts or getting wound down. Our fate has most likely already been determined, long before we ever voted.

Purty much why I voted NO as well. Eagle, PSA, PNCL all had/have aircraft/flow/interview guaranteed to them. All we got was that we "might be more competitive in bidding on rfp's". BULL!!!!

If they want just a 2% savings, they should be able to rework lease deals, rework interest rates to more favorable terms, etc... to more than account for that measly 2%!!!

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What will a union do for you, more pay? more days? maybe? of course until you get no pay and all your days off.

Look Gramps,
Pilots don't run companies, they only have control of their vote for pay negotiations.As a long time SKYW pilot and having had the luxury of working without a CBA, my wage and benefit losses exceed 10K per year, probably more. ESPP, Health Care, BONUSES, ect, I could go on ad naseum but won't since it will wreck by early AM bourbon buzz. As a JR Capt, I was getting 16+ days off, now as a senior Capt, last month I was the lucky recipient of 11 whole days off. No CBA means no rules for the company, but we better follow them to the "T".

 

[russtgol]

Look Gramps,
Pilots don't run companies, they only have control of their vote for pay negotiations.As a long time SKYW pilot and having had the luxury of working without a CBA, my wage and benefit losses exceed 10K per year, probably more. ESPP, Health Care, BONUSES, ect, I could go on ad naseum but won't since it will wreck by early AM bourbon buzz. As a JR Capt, I was getting 16+ days off, now as a senior Capt, last month I was the lucky recipient of 11 whole days off. No CBA means no rules for the company, but we better follow them to the "T".

How many years do you have to put in to be a "senior Capt" ?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

How many years do you have to put in to be a "senior Capt" ?

Top 10% of the seniority list?

 

[twott driver]

If they're serious about cutting costs they will merge the two companies and shut the blue and white aircraft hanger down. Clean out the $1.2 million earning "management" types and other redundants and incompetents, and see how much that saves.

 

[XPOO]

If they're serious about cutting costs they will merge the two companies and shut the blue and white aircraft hanger down. Clean out the $1.2 million earning "management" types and other redundants and incompetents, and see how much that saves.

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

 

[ILS8L]

That's precisely the plan. You'll see it all starting to happen as early as this June. ExpressJet side will slowly shrink away, while SkyWest side will get all the new contracts and aircraft. That writing has been on the wall for about two years now.

How are they going to staff all those airplanes? He was saying get rid of the cube dwellers and expensive management and combine the airline as one. Quit the whipsaw and run a "super regional".

 

[XPOO]

How are they going to staff all those airplanes? He was saying get rid of the cube dwellers and expensive management and combine the airline as one. Quit the whipsaw and run a "super regional".

Unfortunately, you'll still need about the same number of cubicle dwellers and expensive management. The management in place already at SkyWest couldn't possibly go from overseeing 10,000 employees to 20,000 employees overnight. The amount of dispatchers and crew schedulers it currently takes to oversee the SkyWest flight schedule and crews could not possibly handle overseeing a two-fold overnight increase. Try to at least be reasonable here.

Staffing the aircraft is easy, we're talking about a 9 year period from delivery of the first E175 to the last delivery of the MRJ.

 

[wms]

Staffing aircraft won't be easy, with expected attrition and no pilots coming in the challenge will be to reduce the fleet fast enough to keep up with pilot attrition.

If there is a merger, it will be because the combined company is become small enough to make it sensible