Rehashing 911 Pentagon crash

[Midnight Flyer]

My apologies if this video has been posted on here before, but I found it interesting. Obviously it was put together by a nonpilot, but has interesting information.

http://www.pentagonstrike.co.uk/flash.htm#Main

 

[AirBadger]

Interesting, I guess, but competely wrong. Sad thing is a lot of people are willing to believe this crap. I've had my fair share of friends that needed convincing that that video is factless and dumb.

 

[DiamondFlyer]

I worked with Fairfax Rescue at their HQ they established across the street from the Pentagon, while I believe the plane was there, there wasn't a shred we could find of it. The punch outs are the only thing that ever seemed suspect to me, but if you think about it, you've got a lot of energy going real fast.

RIP Flight 77

 

[epic!]

interesting video, im not saying i believe it but it does raise a few questions

 

[SEVEN]

If this video is accurate, then what happened to the hijacked American flight? Did the airplane just disapear?

 

[JSky26]

There are some conspiracy theorists out there that believe that the flight that went down in Penn actually never happened... My questions to that crash are

1. How were people getting cell phone service from 35,000 feet and having long drawn out conversations with clarity? Whenever I turn my cell on in flight I get no service above 5,000 anywhere. I know some were using Air Phones but what about the others...?

2. Where was all the wreckage?

I forgot the link but there is some video that explains all of that. They say the plane landed safely in Ohio or something and the whole thing is a cover up....who knows....

RIP to the souls that lost their lives that day....

 

[mcjohn]

1. How were people getting cell phone service from 35,000 feet and having long drawn out conversations with clarity? Whenever I turn my cell on in flight I get no service above 5,000 anywhere. I know some were using Air Phones but what about the others...?

They were flying low almost the entire time after the turn around to duck the radar. I thought that was always quite clear. That would allow cell phone connections.

Re: the video - The plane disentigrated on impact, wake turbulence does not happen so much on a fast clean plane, 500+ knots on impact 2 feet above the ground....what do you expect to find? I think it was clear what happens to a plane loaded with fuel impacting a building at full speed. We had plenty of detailed slow motion footage of the WTC impact. The planes basically disentigrate in a ball of flames....instantly.

That conspiracy theory is worse than the "We never landed on the moon" one.

 

[Midnight Flyer]

There are some conspiracy theorists out there that believe that the flight that went down in Penn actually never happened... My questions to that crash are

1. How were people getting cell phone service from 35,000 feet and having long drawn out conversations with clarity? Whenever I turn my cell on in flight I get no service above 5,000 anywhere. I know some were using Air Phones but what about the others...?

2. Where was all the wreckage?

I forgot the link but there is some video that explains all of that. They say the plane landed safely in Ohio or something and the whole thing is a cover up....who knows....

RIP to the souls that lost their lives that day....

regarding cellphone service: Pre 911, I can remember getting service alot more than I get it now, while flying. It seems like I routinely got service up between Spokane and Portland on a regular basis while in the lower 30's. We used to call the hotel van when we were 20 miles out from the airport, now I can't even do that anymore.

Maybe cellphone companies have now made it so their phones can't be used while flying (or above a certain altitude).

I think it's possible that the passengers on the plane got cellphone service at 35000

 

[mcjohn]

If you use a cell phone up high like that it won't work for long. You should get a "time out" error or something like that because you'll be freaking the cell towers out. About 20-30 different towers will be picking up your signal equally and then you'll be shut down. It's possible that the system wasn't geared to detect this in the past but it definetly is now.

Also, look at the direction all the little rectangular transmitters and recievers are aimed on those towers. It sure isn't upwards. I get good cell phone reception in the mountains below 5000 agl but way less over the flat land. Like I said, the transmitter are not aimed upward, only outward.

I DO NOT beleive it would be possible to use a typical cell phone at 35,000.

 

[AirBadger]

I'm sure most of you guys have seen the F4 Phantom test video from NASA that launched it on a track at 500 mph into a concrete wall: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1556575484235720126&q=plane+wall&pl=true

If it completely disintegrates a fighter like that on a wall designed to absorb that kind of impact, it doesn't surprise me that there was little left of the 757 at the pentagon.

 

[mcjohn]

Nice post! Just proves what people with common sense already know. Retarded conspiracy theorists! People are strange.

 

[con-pilot]

Please go to the following link. Proof positive that American Airlines Flight 77, a Boeing 757, did indeed hit the Pentagon.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

 

[big_al]

how many crashes that indentify over 90% of the remains have absolutely ZERO large pieces of the airplane left?

 

[mcjohn]

how many crashes that indentify over 90% of the remains have absolutely ZERO large pieces of the airplane left?

Nice try big al.

 

[big_al]

?? so a piece of a wheel and a piece of an engine (ironically the engine manufactuers said it wasn't theirs) and what happened to the rest? how about the nose and the tail and the wings? all poof... gone? I believe an airplane hit it, just not a 767. Plus, the pictures taken before the outter walls collapsed show that only a very small hole was made with this magically disintegrated airplane whos wings fell off before striking the walls and who gently grazzed the pristine grass AND knocked down several light poles without any change of course.

But then again, these ace pilots were called well below average by their CFIs so I guess you must believe anything

 

[JSky26]

....and then why the cover up? Why did the secret service remove (I think within minutes of the crash, I could be wrong though) all the security camera footage that could have caught the airplane crashing into the pentagon? The whole thing just seems a bit shady to me.....but I could be wrong. But hey, it's our right to question the government, so why not. We're better for it...

 

[Turkey Shoot]

Better look out your back window. I bet there are some black helicopters touching down this exact moment.

If you want to question your government, ask why there not limits placed on Congessional slots. Or better yet why they continue to buy votes with your money. Quit looking for skeletons in something that was a tragic happenstance. Fathers and mothers will never be there to tuck in their kids again, not because of GWB but because numbskulls like yourself think we're the bad guy in the world and were more concerned about not offending somebody.

 

[FN FAL]

If you want to question your government, ask why there not limits placed on Congessional slots.

There's 435 in the House and 100 in the Senate, are you saying someone's trying to sneak an extra congressman or senator in there somewhere?

 

[mcjohn]

and what happened to the rest? how about the nose and the tail and the wings? all poof... gone?

Affirmative. Atomized.

 

[con-pilot]

Excuse me Mr. Aviation expert 'big al' but,

just not a 767.

It was a 757.

But that's okay, anything to embarrass or ridicule the United States Government, right?

Jesus people, the serial numbers on the remaining parts matched the American Airlines Boeing 757 serial number 28142.

Get a life! If you conspiracy minded people would get off your butts and do some fact finding (rather than sitting in front of your computers taking the words of idiots) you would realize that the only conspiracy was by radical Muslims.

 

[Turkey Shoot]

There's 435 in the House and 100 in the Senate, are you saying someone's trying to sneak an extra congressman or senator in there somewhere?

The beer is speaking to me, or rather for me this evening.

 

[big_al]

Affirmative. Atomized.

Ok, got it. So you can atomize an entire airplane but not enough of the people to confirm 90% of their identities... very interesting concept. Maybe airplane manufacturers should stop using steel and start using human skin and bones

 

[big_al]

Excuse me Mr. Aviation expert 'big al' but,



It was a 757.

But that's okay, anything to embarrass or ridicule the United States Government, right?

Jesus people, the serial numbers on the remaining parts matched the American Airlines Boeing 757 serial number 28142.

Get a life!

Excuse me Mr Strawman. So I got the type wrong. Care to comment on anything else I've said? or are you going to play the "with us or against us?" knee jerk nonsense? Why dont you get a life, blindly defending America would definately piss off the founding fathers.

But they found enough parts to indentify the airplane, yet not enough pieces survived except a bizzare scrap on the clean grass and a handful of pieces inside the building? nothing else? you sure about that? You sound so confident

 

[con-pilot]

Not only did you get the type wrong you also have all the facts wrong.

I have graduated from the NTSB Accident Investigator Schools I and II. Please tell me your credentials.

I know three people who were in the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the building.

And if you are so bloody smart please explain to me just where are the crew and passengers of American Airlines Flight 77, let alone the bloody airplane?

When my country is right I will defend her to my death, when she is wrong I will yell until people listen to me.

You, sir are flat wrong!

 

[AirBadger]

Not only did you get the type wrong you also have all the facts wrong.

I have graduated from the NTSB Accident Investigator Schools I and II. Please tell me your credentials.

I know three people who were in the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the building.

And if you are so bloody smart please explain to me just where are the crew and passengers of American Airlines Flight 77, let alone the bloody airplane?

When my country is right I will defend her to my death, when she is wrong I will yell until people listen to me.

You, sir are flat wrong!

Thank you...

 

[SKC]

My boss was in the Pentagon, about 200 yards from the point of impact. He said the door of the office he was in physically bowed from the shockwave. He said there was no doubt that it was aircraft wreckage.

 

[dash8driver]

....and then why the cover up? Why did the secret service remove (I think within minutes of the crash, I could be wrong though) all the security camera footage that could have caught the airplane crashing into the pentagon? The whole thing just seems a bit shady to me.....but I could be wrong. But hey, it's our right to question the government, so why not. We're better for it...

because the video showed evidence of the chemtrail conspriacy...

whats that noise? omg! its the black helicopters... where's my tin foil hat!??



.

 

[JSky26]

Turkey Shoot,

I understand that lives were lost. It was a tragedy that will never be forgotten. Heck man I shed some tears on 9/11, so believe me when I say this.... I love this country just as much as the next guy. I don't think it is right to call someone a numbskull for asking questions... I think that is the very thing that is great about this nation...we have the freedom to do so... Maybe if I was in Somolia (or insert dictatorship here) I would have those black helocopters in my rear view mirror right about now....

 

[big_al]

Not only did you get the type wrong you also have all the facts wrong.

I have graduated from the NTSB Accident Investigator Schools I and II. Please tell me your credentials.

I know three people who were in the Pentagon when American Airlines Flight 77 crashed into the building.

And if you are so bloody smart please explain to me just where are the crew and passengers of American Airlines Flight 77, let alone the bloody airplane?

When my country is right I will defend her to my death, when she is wrong I will yell until people listen to me.

You, sir are flat wrong!

I got my facts wrong because I made a mistake in typing a 6 instead of a 5? Boy I sure hope you aced your class with zero mistakes

So you know people who were in the Pentagon... and?

Who said Im "so bloody smart"? Whats with the hatred and blind insults?

Your country is right? How do you know? Did you also blindly defend Nixon?

You are flat wrong, you have less evidence to prove your side except asking rhetorical questions and resorting to strawman arguments and plain insults.

Blind allegiance is not what America needs, its what leads countries into unjust wars time and time again without holding people accountable.

again, WHO WAS FIRED FOR THE MISTAKES?

 

[big_al]

Turkey Shoot,

I don't think it is right to call someone a numbskull for asking questions... I think that is the very thing that is great about this nation...we have the freedom to do so...

stop thinking for yourself! go turn on faux news and let them do it for you! another step towards fascism, here we go!!!