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[BigPappa]

jppt2000 Doesn't know how to read, now wonder!

 

[OCP]

This may be the most F'd up thread hijack I've seen in a while.

 

[BeeFCaKe]

Hi...jack

This may be the most F'd up thread hijack I've seen in a while.

5 pages worth!

 

[DGdaPilot]

FYI - Milk is more expensive now because the corn used in the cow feed is also being used for ethanol production (to replace expensive gasoline). So, corn costs have increased for farmers too and this translates into higher milk costs for customers. The farmers want to protect their margins so they pass the costs along to the consumers.

That's a half-truth. What do you think farmers put in their tractors to plant and spray the crops and in their combines to harvest it? It ain't air. It's diesel. Energy costs go up, the cost to farm the land goes up. And it's gone up considerably over the recent years. I'm sure you understand this every time you fill up your car. Imagine only being able to harvest maybe a field or half a field on 100 gal. of diesel. Then you have to refill and head back out. It takes and incredible amount of energy to work the land.

You want passengers to fund your aviation salary, but you won't pay a cent more to the American farmer? Wow.

And yes, my father is in the field right now (nearly 9pm at night) busting his arse, picking corn in the combine.

Now your statement is still half true, because demand for ethanol has risen greatly. But answer this. Would you rather pay the American farmer for his ethanol or the Venezuelan/Arabian/Russian/Chinese oil tycoon?

Now I'm off my soapbox.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Are you aware that the US exports more grain than it uses? And now that the dollar is below most major world currencies, the farmers can get more money selling it overseas than domestically. This coupled with the rising energy prices is why food costs have skyrocketed.

It's starting to look like we're already on the precipice of another recession. Not a good time to start over a a new airline.

Bingo on the first comment.

I don't entirely believe the second comment. Nearly every American recession in the 20th century was preceeded by a recession in the ag. field. It's a very reliable leading indicator of our economy. The farmers are doing well now....after having their arses handed to them for about 5 to 6 years.

 

[CA1900]

Now your statement is still half true, because demand for ethanol has risen greatly. But answer this. Would you rather pay the American farmer for his ethanol or the Venezuelan/Arabian/Russian/Chinese oil tycoon?

Now that's the half-truth. The process of creating ethanol burns more fossil fuels than the energy yield of the ethanol. You're paying the oil tycoon anyway. Ethanol as a "source of energy" is a complete sham, consuming billions of dollars of taxpayer money and wasting even more oil than if we'd burned it directly in our cars. In the process, we're driving up food costs even further.

Want a solution to the energy problem? Electric or plug-in hybrid cars, and a lot more nuclear reactors. And yes, I'd gladly have one in my backyard.

 

[DGdaPilot]

Now that's the half-truth. The process of creating ethanol burns more fossil fuels than the energy yield of the ethanol. You're paying the oil tycoon anyway. Ethanol as a "source of energy" is a complete sham, consuming billions of dollars of taxpayer money and wasting even more oil than if we'd burned it directly in our cars. In the process, we're driving up food costs even further.

Want a solution to the energy problem? Electric or plug-in hybrid cars, and a lot more nuclear reactors. And yes, I'd gladly have one in my backyard.

Consider that the refining processes of ethanol are still in their relative infancy due to a lack of public and government support. That is until recently. It will become more efficient....it might not end up coming from corn in the end, but the ball has only begun to roll.

 

[bailout]

John P., some fractionals (with a base in ATL) do indeed have Jumpseat priveledges on a few airlines. I used it a few times.
www.citationshares.com

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

Ethanol is a reasonable idea that can help out with the shortage of oil.

BUT, oil from corn is stupid. We need to stop making it from corn, and make it from easy to grow/low energy investment plants such as switchgrass.

Concentrating our time and money on solar/wind and other direct renewables is an even better idea.

Continued massive tax breaks for oil companies to get us more oil is STUPID beyond belief.

cliff
YIP

 

[Gator1999]

but you have to remember... no pass benefits and no jumpseats

God, I'd swear that people like you would sell your families for crap pass benefits and jumpseats!