Regional airlines are doomed!

[Freebrd]

The rest of the healthier legacies will have stronger scope. Profits don't allow for scope concessions.
Godspeed!
The OYSter

haha you sure hope so huh Oys

 

[enuffalready]

Pilots Know everything! Just ask them! Marketing, flying, engineering, route planning! All because they went to ERAU, the Harvard of Aviation! It's just so amazing! If you want to know what's wrong with the industry, just ask the pilots! ;-)

not exclusive to ERAU... just ask any Navy or Air Force guy and they will give you the same reply... marketing..check.... route structure...check... utilization...check.... what qualifies them?.. just ask em....... landed on a carrier or flew a 130 at night....

 

[enuffalready]

I've been here 22 and have watched the results of management attempting to cater to the whims of the general public. If you give children everything they want you end up with spoiled brats. The same holds true with the flying public. Look what we've given them so far:

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But, by all means, lets give the public everything they want, even if it is economically and/or physically impracticable.


However, I understand your need, as an RJ CA, to defend an economically unviable system.

.... nobody ever said give the customers everything they want mr straw man.....after 22 years in the airline you need to learn that customer service is not just thanking people as they deplane

as far as an unviable system........ i hate to break it to you.. but the airlines themselves are unviable....especially labor.... if pilots had to compete for their existing jobs like our passengers that you begrudge do for theirs, we would ALL be either of out of work or taking pay cuts...

but dont worry.. the next time that passenger rushes from the meeting he just had trying to land a contract for more work and attempts to make another call .......or heaven for forbid, checks in late..... i will make sure that they understand in no uncertain terms that his captain is very upset and thinks we should cut frequency or just raise fares to cover pay resets to post 2001 levels...... and while i am at it.. .i will ask him to call the department of labor and rid ourselves of those pesky EEOC regulations so we can hire some HOT stews

 

[Fubijaakr]

Its just that attitude that keeps getting you rejections and will keep you flying for a regional for the rest of your career.

 

[enuffalready]

Its just that attitude that keeps getting you rejections and will keep you flying for a regional for the rest of your career.

I know it is impossible for you to comprehend, after spending all your life wanting to fly for a major/legacy... a goal i have a healthy respect for..........that there are others who do not aspire to follow your footsteps

 

[ex j-41]

Maturity is realizing that peoples career and life priorities change. I doubt that many start at a regional thinking it will be their last stop. You can't blame someone for making a decision to stop spending time thinking about the next step and just smelling the roses.
Spending time with your new born or 6 year old is a whole lot more important than commuting to philly just so you can fly a bigger airplane.

 

[Freebrd]

Maturity is realizing that peoples career and life priorities change. I doubt that many start at a regional thinking it will be their last stop. You can't blame someone for making a decision to stop spending time thinking about the next step and just smelling the roses.
Spending time with your new born or 6 year old is a whole lot more important than commuting to philly just so you can fly a bigger airplane.

Spot on!

 

[silver02ex]

Its just that attitude that keeps getting you rejections and will keep you flying for a regional for the rest of your career.

Wow, real classy. Do you even know anything about the guy before making that comment? Some people are happy where they are, having a good QOL, and get the spend more time with family. I have many good friends who will be a lifer at a regional, because its something they HAVE to do for their family. Maybe you can go to the charter, or CFI board and give those guys a hard time, about not getting to make it beyond where they are.

 

[On Your Six]

haha you sure hope so huh Oys

Sad but true, just read the article. I guess everyone else is wrong but you! Gas prices aren't going up either according to you?.... Every extra penny makes your operation less efficient. Throw in the new Fatigue/Rest/hiring rules coming in 2 years, and your airlines will have to transform into something different. Higher profits at the legacies again will not help your cause, since management has less to bargain with, and the pilots don't have to give up anything to get a wage increase. Enjoy Rangoon.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

Maturity is realizing that peoples career and life priorities change. I doubt that many start at a regional thinking it will be their last stop. You can't blame someone for making a decision to stop spending time thinking about the next step and just smelling the roses.
Spending time with your new born or 6 year old is a whole lot more important than commuting to philly just so you can fly a bigger airplane.

How about making enough money to send that 6 year old to college? Shouldn't that count? I would get started as fast as possible if you haven't already. First year at a legacy may be less than a Captain at a Regional, but it sure does increase in a hurry after that. First year pay now at DL is $59 an hour, with 2nd year on the bus at $86, and third year at $101. We have a new contract coming due this year (rumors have it that RA wants a deal, and that means some sort of pay raise obviously with $1.2 billion profit the last couple years), and next year there should be hiring. Sticking it out a regional may give you better QOL now for a few more years, but with the way the Regional industry is going and the instability and high gas prices out there, I would take your "hit" now with QOL for a couple/few years so you can have more time with your early teenage son/daughter as a lineholder, making more money at a legacy. Hiring will happen sooner than later. Don't miss out.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[dojetdriver]

The rest of the healthier legacies will have stronger scope. Profits don't allow for scope concessions.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

So when UAL 2000 and DAL 2001 contracts came during high profits, what caused the scope relaxation?

 

[701EV]

If the airlines don't listen to the passengers. Why in the HELL did Delta spend millions of dollars putting First Class Seats in CRAPPY, TO SMALL, and INEFFICIENT CRJ 700's and 900's?

Just wondering?

 

[On Your Six]

So when UAL 2000 and DAL 2001 contracts came during high profits, what caused the scope relaxation?

Maybe you were in Highschool at the time, but 9-11 caused a huge disruption in profits, and then Gulf War II caused a huge oil spike that many legacies weren't ready for, while Southwest was with their hedges. They don't have those hedges now, and they also don't do bag fees (except at Airtran they do for now), so they don't really enjoy those fees. Most legacies, besides AA, are very profitable now, and they are paying down debt and getting ready to hand some money back to the pilots when the contracts come due. Scope relaxation only can happen in distressed times, like AA is having now. Don't bet your future on possible scope relaxation via BKs. Consolidation makes that tougher to achieve.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[On Your Six]

If the airlines don't listen to the passengers. Why in the HELL did Delta spend millions of dollars putting First Class Seats in CRAPPY, TO SMALL, and INEFFICIENT CRJ 700's and 900's?

Just wondering?

It seems like they still wanted to have premium fares on those planes for their best customers that have to fly on those planes anyway. Some routes might be too big for a mainline plane, but the customers still want bigger seats and more comfort.


Godspeed!


The OYSter

 

[Freebrd]

(rumors have it that RA wants a deal, and that means some sort of pay raise obviously with $1.2 billion profit the last couple years), The OYSter

haha! yeh RA wants a deal, no doubt about that except it's not one you'll like, a small pay raise in exchange for relaxation of scope. AA will pave the way w/ bigger jets for AE so the rest of the airlines will follow, just like sheep everytime one of them changes something (like paint jobs) the rest follow. But I sincerely hope you can AT LEAST hold onto present scope as I'm anxious to leave Rangoon for the big jets in the future! Godspeed! :laugh: