xXpress1, please don't quote me on this one but I was told by an HR rep that when they pulled from the stacks that they did it like a card game. Pulled 1 from the top of each stack for the interview and started over again until they got their desired number.
At the time United was interviewing 1000 pilots per year so you can imagine how many times they pulled from each stack.
I do not agree with you that it was legalized discrimination, but it was an effort to right a wrong. Like I said a while ago, no one was in competition with a minority except another minority. That could be both a plus for a minority and a minus depending on who was in the stack. If you were in the minority stack than you received roughly 1 out of 15 interviews. Those are not good odds depending on what was happening at the time.
I also think this thread is relevant to United's future. Because whether you agree with the system or not it will still be in place when they start hiring again so it helps to understand how they do it.
acarpe3448:
You got your wish. They cleaned house except for 1 or 2 people in 2000.
You don;t have to be an HR Guru to understand the concept of "competitively qualified", it's pretty simple, really. A 450tt piston twin driver is not competitively qualified. Can't you just concede that obvious point? And it's not a "second-hand story", I can name names of half a dozen I know personally. My College had a UAL internship program, so believe me, I saw this crap firsthand for four years.
My point is qualifications are relative to timing. You don't have to debate me, just ask any senior Captain that has been around for 30 years or more. In the late 60's early 70's the airlines needed people BADLY. They literally were taking people off the street with NO time, had them get some hours and get a multi-engine rating and then they were placed in the right seat of a B-707 or larger with less than 250hrs. I guess they weren't qualified either. Oh no wait, they were white males, that's ok then. There were hundreds more experienced black males that were not hired aka Tuskegee Airmen. Very few if any made it in to the airlines.
I'm not worried about anyone. Well, I take that back. I am worried about you, a little. Do us all a favor, and have a little face-to-face with a mental health professional, would you? Be sure to bring up your need to demonize those who disagree with you, and your deep-seated hatred for white males . . . . .
Anything else is "a lie"? So much for debate and discourse. Obviously, with you it is just a waste of time, since everyone else's opinion is "a lie"?
So many personal attacks, that's the sign of someone who has lost his point and cannot concede. Everything I gave you can be backed up with hard facts opposed to rumors and stories. If you do not believe how United hires ask Kit Darby, President of AIRInc.
If you don't like the way they do it than tough, but that's no reason to personally attack someone.
Oh and I don't have a "deep-seated hatred for white males". I hate it when people try to use the excuse that they didn't get hired because of X group or Y group. There is so much misinformation that goes around about minorities in this industry it is disgusting and people tend to believe the worst of it without even bothering to check the facts.
Please tell me when was the last time YOU had to take 6 checkrides in your first 6 months at an airline even though you did nothing wrong, but the only reason it was done because you were a minority and others hated that fact? The Chief Pilot finally had enough and told the pilot to just swap bases and he was removing all of the letters from the pilot's file. No one should have to go through that. That was 2 years ago.
