P38JLightning
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>>>>P38...you need to relax. Don't be making statements about another companies pilots (with regards to donations etc.) without having all of the facts! I donated and I work for ASA! Your comment that we just sat back and watched while the "almighty Comair pilots" did everything in their power makes me want to PUKE! By the way...NICE VOTE! Thanks for the Knife in the back....MY sticker is in the mail back to you!
Tomct,
I didn't say that all Comair pilots helped out more than all ASA pilots. I did say that some Comair pilots had crappy attitudes about it and their motivations were sinister at best. I criticized the MEC's stance on the whole issue too. I'm sure there were ASA pilots who bent over backwards to help. I'm just trying to dispell the notion that all ASA pilots "stepped up to the plate" and actively helped while all Comair pilots "blocked" their coming here. That notion is clearly proliferated by the General's broad brushed statements about how all ASA and CHQ pilots should be pre-hired at Delta while all Comair pilots should be blackballed, regardless of the individual's stance on this issue and regardless of how much the individual helped or didn't help.
As for the vote, sorry. I voted against the LOA. What more can I do? If you go on strike I'll donate twice the ammount of my pay this LOA gave up for as long as you're on strike. What else can I do?
That's not at all what happened here. We wer enever consulted, and our MEC (according to all sources available) were never approached by management of any kind. All there ever was was a meeting by the DAL MEC chair in which he came right out of the gate saying you will do this or there will be hell to pay. Our MEC took the bate, got emotional, and acted like babies right back at them. They should have taken the high road and didn't. We were never asked. As for the infamous "jumpseaters" there were probably the same num nutz who thought they were getting a seniority ratio when the PID was in full swing. Sorry about that too, but they are in the minority and I think you know that. (You have a few of them over there BTW).
General,
I don't have a problem with your proposed preferential hiring of ASA and CHQ other than its very thinly veiled threat to all Comair pilots. It seems getting "those who helped" hired takes a back seat for you to punishing every pilot on the list at Comair regardless of what that person did. Over.
>>>>P38...you need to relax. Don't be making statements about another companies pilots (with regards to donations etc.) without having all of the facts! I donated and I work for ASA! Your comment that we just sat back and watched while the "almighty Comair pilots" did everything in their power makes me want to PUKE! By the way...NICE VOTE! Thanks for the Knife in the back....MY sticker is in the mail back to you!
Tomct,
I didn't say that all Comair pilots helped out more than all ASA pilots. I did say that some Comair pilots had crappy attitudes about it and their motivations were sinister at best. I criticized the MEC's stance on the whole issue too. I'm sure there were ASA pilots who bent over backwards to help. I'm just trying to dispell the notion that all ASA pilots "stepped up to the plate" and actively helped while all Comair pilots "blocked" their coming here. That notion is clearly proliferated by the General's broad brushed statements about how all ASA and CHQ pilots should be pre-hired at Delta while all Comair pilots should be blackballed, regardless of the individual's stance on this issue and regardless of how much the individual helped or didn't help.
As for the vote, sorry. I voted against the LOA. What more can I do? If you go on strike I'll donate twice the ammount of my pay this LOA gave up for as long as you're on strike. What else can I do?
Tim47SIP said:So my "group" actively did more than the ASA and CHQ groups. Those places simply hired them according to their long standing policy and their pilots had nothing to do with it. Sure the ASA MEC may have been "consulted" as a heads up, but it was never their decision to make.
You know, I have heard this several times, but it is just plain wrong. I was approached by the Dallas LEC and talked with the ATL LEC and both said the same thing. They asked what my thoughts were if we were to hire furloughed Delta pilots. Both were getting opinions to pass on to management through our MEC. The way I took it is that we could have stopped the hiring if we felt that was something we wanted to do. We had no clue of what Comairs stance on this would be.
I can unequivocally remember the posts on this and other boards by Comair pilots that stated what the General is testifying to. I also remember when Comair guys came to ATL for their expansion. That was quite comical in that they would consistently demand that they get special treatment and would not be delayed because they were Comair. You should of heard the calls on the radio. They quickly learned that technique wasn't going to work.
On a side note: I am one of the few that doesn't think Comair guys screwed anyone with their recent vote. I think they made the right decision. We have to learn when to fight our battles. I also think that they may have helped us get a Comair +1 contract sooner than we could have done on our own. Time will tell.
That's not at all what happened here. We wer enever consulted, and our MEC (according to all sources available) were never approached by management of any kind. All there ever was was a meeting by the DAL MEC chair in which he came right out of the gate saying you will do this or there will be hell to pay. Our MEC took the bate, got emotional, and acted like babies right back at them. They should have taken the high road and didn't. We were never asked. As for the infamous "jumpseaters" there were probably the same num nutz who thought they were getting a seniority ratio when the PID was in full swing. Sorry about that too, but they are in the minority and I think you know that. (You have a few of them over there BTW).
General,
I don't have a problem with your proposed preferential hiring of ASA and CHQ other than its very thinly veiled threat to all Comair pilots. It seems getting "those who helped" hired takes a back seat for you to punishing every pilot on the list at Comair regardless of what that person did. Over.