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[elag777]

Longhorn,

In my opinion, it is people like you that hurt this profession. You work 84 hours a month (1000 year) and make 62k and life is great. Next year you can add about 5k to that amount, and the next you can add another 4k or so. When I left last year, A320 upgrades were running in excess of 2 years, I am sure they are 3+ these days and more like 4 years for your seniority. The captains making 150k+ are working their butts off. i don't think we need to discuss those stellar E-190 pay rates.

Your health insurance has gone up significantly, they cut out crew meals (but added a dime or so in per diem, yee-haw!). Profit sharing is non existant and stock options are a loser for everybody except the first 400 or so. Not looking too good if you ask me...

Sounds as if you made the wrong choice to me, and you must be a hypocrite as well seeing as you by your own standard were hurting the profession two years ago. Hello pot....:erm:

 

[furloughed dude]

Elag,

I left after they announced the 190 rates, or rather sent a DHL package to us which informed us of the rates...

I knew then it was time to split. The job has certainly become much less desirable, with zero profit sharing, worthless stock options, and CRJ rates for a 100 seat aircraft. Not to mention ever increasing health care costs.

I wonder how many people are losing their butts on CSPP (do you really think the rampers/flight attendants, etc, unload their stock at 15%?) This is sounding more and more like People Express.

 

[wndshr]

Elag,

I left after they announced the 190 rates, or rather sent a DHL package to us which informed us of the rates...

I knew then it was time to split. The job has certainly become much less desirable, with zero profit sharing, worthless stock options, and CRJ rates for a 100 seat aircraft. Not to mention ever increasing health care costs.

I wonder how many people are losing their butts on CSPP (do you really think the rampers/flight attendants, etc, unload their stock at 15%?) This is sounding more and more like People Express.

furloughed dude:

first of all...congrats for leaving b6...or should i say congrats to b6?

now let me see, would you have liked to get on with SWA when they were only 6 years old? Were they making industry "leading" wages then? where would you be if you got on with SWA during their first 5-6 years and were retiring these days? hmmmmm...probably pretty good i would imagine.

do you really think that b6 will get away with emb 190 pay rates IF they can make a profit? if you do, then your parents should demand a refund for the money they spent on your college education. business management 101! you went to college...right?

b6 has lots of problems...growing problems to be specific. one thing is for certain...they offer the best product around, and if/when the yield environment ever improves, there stock and all the cspp'ss that you mention will do just fine...don't you worry!

 

[Longhorn]

Guys..and uppercrust, lol

My point was that the rumors of how bad our pay is, us bringing the standards down just gets old. I am sorry if you feel that I am part of the problem. I paid alpa dues for 6 years, worked hard for a regional and saw the crappy pay that came along with both not to mention what alpa did for me..nothing (ok pcl_128, chime in . I do think that down the road the rates on the 190 need to be looked at again, and I think the company will do that. Starting pay at the majors even before 911 was in the mid 30's to 40's. Yes, the pay went up quite a bit after the first few years but it was hardly any better than ours for the first few. I just think that its funny that so many people blame us for their airlines problems. We are all in the same mess together. I have been posting on this board for 5 years now and have managed to avoid upsetting anybody in that time. I guess that streak had to break eventually. Oh Well :-(

 

[banger]

That's funny. JBLU has operated at a loss for all of 2005 even with sweet heart deals and pilots who came in at less than half the industry standard wage and benefit rates, necesitating draconian cuts on the airlines that built this profession, and now your complaining about DAL. Let me tell you sport, JBLU has much larger problems coming down the road.

Good goes around.

Weren't you the fellow who was argueing with me about Song being profitable couple months back? Apologies if I am wrong.

 

[Longhorn]

Also, as for my senority, I am just under 200 off the junior 320 ca here. I figure about another 1 year and 6-8 month. Just letting you know.

 

[FDJ2]

Weren't you the fellow who was argueing with me about Song being profitable couple months back? Apologies if I am wrong.

Apology accepted.

 

[IB6 UB9]

...and pilots who came in at less than half the industry standard wage and benefit rates, necesitating draconian cuts on the airlines that built this profession...

You really believe that?

 

[AKAAB]

Solong

 

[MercuryPilot]

Longhorn,

In my opinion, it is people like you that hurt this profession. You work 84 hours a month (1000 year) and make 62k and life is great. Next year you can add about 5k to that amount, and the next you can add another 4k or so. When I left last year, A320 upgrades were running in excess of 2 years, I am sure they are 3+ these days and more like 4 years for your seniority. The captains making 150k+ are working their butts off. i don't think we need to discuss those stellar E-190 pay rates.

Your health insurance has gone up significantly, they cut out crew meals (but added a dime or so in per diem, yee-haw!). Profit sharing is non existant and stock options are a loser for everybody except the first 400 or so. Not looking too good if you ask me...

Longhorn makes $62K a year for roughly 16 days of work a month. Very few folks in America would feel sorry for a guy who makes $62K a year for working barely half of every month.

Longhorn is a quality guy at our airline and I'm privledged to work w/him. BTW, since he's upgrading on the 190 in about 6 weeks your figures are inaccurate.

So sorry you left the team. Standing by for excuses...

 

[fifty30retard]

OK, so let me get this straight..Its unfair when a new LCC comes in and undercuts a legacy carrier on a route, but its an "unhealthy business atmosphere" when the legacy carrier does it right back?? I thought it was just competition?!
737

I agree and I work for B6. Competition is competition. You either adapt to increased competition or you shrivel up and die. Hats off to Delta for putting up one hell of a fight with a top notch product. It always bothers me when terms like irrational or unfair competition are used. There ain't nothing fair or rational about this business.

 

[Hair-on-Fire]

I agree and I work for B6. Competition is competition. You either adapt to increased competition or you shrivel up and die. Hats off to Delta for putting up one hell of a fight with a top notch product. It always bothers me when terms like irrational or unfair competition are used. There ain't nothing fair or rational about this business.

I agree. Let's keep the trash talk in the locker room and let our performance speak for itself.

Go Blue

 

[737 Pylt]

I agree and I work for B6. Competition is competition. You either adapt to increased competition or you shrivel up and die. Hats off to Delta for putting up one hell of a fight with a top notch product. It always bothers me when terms like irrational or unfair competition are used. There ain't nothing fair or rational about this business.

Thanks fifty:
It was by NO means a slam of JB! I highly respect your airline, and am envious of its increasing success in the biz. But now it seems you have fallen into the clutches of "cheap airfare." You guys deliver a quality product, no doubt, and I only wish you success. With Virgin US just around the corner, it looks as if any attempts at raising airfare to a "fair and respectable price" is highly unlikely!
regards,
737

 

[dtfl]

Very few folks in America would feel sorry for a guy who makes $62K a year for working barely half of every month.

I cant believe I just read this - from an airline pilot, no doubt. I have to explain time and time again, to my friends not in the industry that although I only went to work for 3 days, I actually spent 40 hours between flying, preflights, postlfights running to other planes, etc. So I worked the same work we they did - CRAMMED into 3 days. Very few folks in America would work 16 hour days.

 

[dtfl]

I agree and I work for B6. Competition is competition. You either adapt to increased competition or you shrivel up and die. Hats off to Delta for putting up one hell of a fight with a top notch product. It always bothers me when terms like irrational or unfair competition are used. There ain't nothing fair or rational about this business.

Ya know whats sad? (You gave us kudos for putting up a fight - cool.) We were running FL and the East Coast before JB even existed...and mgmt pissed it all away. People like your product. They liked Song too...and look what Delta Mgmt did to that.