Realistically-how long from Private to right seat for Southwest?

[RUNNINHORN]

Ok, ok, this is a serious question. If a person was to go balls out training, that already has their private and working on their instrument, "guessing" how long would you say, how many years, could right seat be attained for flying for southwest?

 

[ePilot22]

Here's SouthWest's hiring mins.


http://www.southwest.com/careers/pilots.html



Now go "balls to the wall"...



eP.

 

[RUNNINHORN]

Here's SouthWest's hiring mins.


http://www.southwest.com/careers/pilots.html



Now go "balls to the wall"...



eP.

balls are to the wall, thanks for the post........

 

[RUNNINHORN]

so here are the req's---

Flight Experience:
2500 hours total or 1500 hours TURBINE total. Additionally, a minimum of 1000 hours in Turbine aircraft as the Pilot in command3, as defined by FAR PART I is required. Southwest considers only Pilot time in fixed wing aircraft. This specifically excludes simulator, helicopter, WSO, RIO, FE, NAV, EWO etc. NO other time is counted.3 <LI class=listDoubleSpace>Currency:
A minimum of 200 hours must be logged in the preceding 36 months.


so seeing that, how long would it take flying part-time 3 days a week, vs flying full-time training 5 days a week ya think? Just trying to get a plan on paper both ways for my wife.........

 

[G2T]

No offense, and I know you said guessing, but putting a timeline on paper for your wife is only setting her up for dissapointment. You can't predict what is going to happen next week in this industry, much less try and plan years ahead. With that said, best of luck building that time.

 

[hyper]

How big's your balls?

IMO, it could be easier determined by the size of your balls. See, the larger the balls, really the slower your progress. Say, for instance, you had 4" balls. Well, theoretically you'd be 2" from the wall. Thus progressing at a slower pace than you would be if you had, say, 2" balls. Whereas you'd be 1" from the wall and subsequently advancing at a much quicker rate. Understood?

 

[avbug]

When you're starting your flight training, asking how long to fly for a major airline is a little like asking how long until you win the lotto. You may get there, you may not, but fifteen years is a good start.

Remember that the published hiring minimums are not the numbers that people have when they get hired there. Those are minimums. A more important number is what people really need to get hired, and you'll find it's a little higher than what's published.

More realistically, you're looking at 5,000 to 6,000 hours total time, and bring the other totals up accordingly.

 

[NYCPilot]

unfinished post

 

[canyonblue737]

Including 4 years of college I did it in exactly 10 years to the month. I don't know if this is realistic... more like lucky.

 

[9GClub]

Drawing from my vast treasure trove of experience, I submit that there are way too many variables mixed into that equation. Try not to lock into a concrete timeframe if at all possible-- for your wife's sake!

That being said, best of luck with your training, but always plan for the contingency.

 

[Tripower455]

It took me 13 years (give or take a few months) from the day I got my private to the day I got hired at SWA.....

Like the others said, there is no way to give even a wild guestimate. It could take 3 years, or never happen..........

 

[RUNNINHORN]

It took me 13 years (give or take a few months) from the day I got my private to the day I got hired at SWA.....

Like the others said, there is no way to give even a wild guestimate. It could take 3 years, or never happen..........

true, but she is the type of person that cant understand that and needs a general time frame. I know I know, but that is just one of her quirks.

 

[RUNNINHORN]

Including 4 years of college I did it in exactly 10 years to the month. I don't know if this is realistic... more like lucky.

yea, ive got that out of the way, currently working on my MBA.......

 

[BenderGonzales]

No kidding... Southwest accepts FAR part I definition for PIC?

So if you're a type-rated first officer then your legs (~50% of total time in the aircraft) could be considered PIC for the purposes of a Southwest application?

Wow.

 

[FN FAL]

If a person was to go balls out training, that already has their private and working on their instrument, "guessing" how long would you say, how many years, could right seat be attained for flying for southwest?

The last two guys that were balls out training at SWA had to take a lateral transfer and made the AP News Wire.

 

[Dangerkitty]

Ok, ok, this is a serious question. If a person was to go balls out training, that already has their private and working on their instrument, "guessing" how long would you say, how many years, could right seat be attained for flying for southwest?

I dont know if this will help you but I thought I might as well chime in.

In 1990 I soloed a Piper Warrior after 15 hours on my way to getting my private pilots license. In the summer of 2000 I was hired by American Airlines and Delta Airlines.

However, I wouldn't describe me ever going "balls to the wall" Well, maybe when I was flying for Continental Expess I did.

 

[MarineGrunt]

You're thinking too long term and you're only going to frustrate yourself in the long run. What you need to be thinking about right now is getting your ratings. Then logging flight time. Then getting on a regional. Then upgrading. Then getting the 1000 PIC. THEN Southwest. I think 15 years is a realistic guess, but it largely depends on what path you take. I have been flying for 12 years and while I fly the KC135 right now, I don't even have 800hrs of flight time. FedEx or UPS are my goal one day, and whenever I think about how long it is going to take me, I start to feel sick. Now I'm focused on getting another 200hrs or so and getting on with a real solid regional (or at least as solid as they get), and one that I can spend the rest of my career there if things don't progress like I want.

Like I said, I've been flying for 12 years, but I was on and off for most of it. If you want to put yourself on the fast track, you really have to plan it out and since you're married, you need to have a VERY VERY supporting and loving wife. She needs to understand that you will likely not see a wage over $25k for almost 5 years after you start flying professionally. It's not going to be easy for either of you.

If I could do it over again, this is how I would do it:
1- Get your commercial ticket as fast as you can, but don't sacrafice quality training for short time. LEARN YOUR STUFF. Get tailwheel time and endorsement while you're at it (see next step).
2- Get a job towing banners at a reputable company. Do a search on this board for one. There are a lot of scams out there. Flying banners is good pretty much only for building time. This works out great as a summer job if youre going to college.To be competative for jobs in the future, you need to also have QUALITY time. You'll find out what that is as time goes on.
3- While youre towing banners, work toward your CFI, CFII and MEI. A lot of banner places have you working 7 days a week all summer, so you might have to work on those ratings on the winter months.
4- After you get those done, get a flight instructing job. When you're searching for one, go to the places you trained previously. They are the ones most likely to hire you. Unless you're a deuche. When you're getting your CFI tickets, you can also use that as leverage to get them to hire you when you are done. Make them sell to YOU.
5- While all this is going on, start looking into the Guard and Reserve. If you get picked up flying with a unit, time building will be slow for the first two years or so, but it's worth it. However, i'ts not a flying club. Service to country is #1.
6- While you're CFI'ing, this is the time to start looking at a regional. Things change on a day to day basis in this industry and the strongest company today, amy have half of its pilots on the street in another three months (seriously, and it's happening now). This is why you can't think too long term. Anyway, pick a good regional, one that pays above the average, where the pilots are happy, good upgrade times and where you wouldn't mind spending the rest of your career. Don't jump from airline to airline, because each time you start our at yr 1 pay and bottom of the seniority - making yourself more likely to be furloughed and most likely increasing you upgrade time.
6- (I haven't made it this far yet) Once you get to a regional, upgrade as soon as you can to start getting your 1000PIC. A lot of times this means commuting, crappy hours/QOL or living in a place that sucks. For this reason a lot of people chose not to upgrade even though they can. Once you get to the upper seniority level FO ranks, life becomes pretty good and when you upgrade, sometimes you flush that down the toilet. Do whats right for you. Also, make a lot of friends, because friends get hired at places like Southwest and can dramatically increase your chances of getting hired by walking your stuff in.
7- Apply as soon as you have mins. Buy yourself I nice set of knee pads and go find your friends at SW!

Hope this helps. It is quite possible that I wasted my time telling you stuff you already know...

ONE MORE THING!!!!!

You and your wife need to have a talk. She needs to know that this is going to be a long, tough road. You need to take a close, no BS look at your marriage and think about if you guys could make it. Just ask how many guys on this forum are divorced from AIDS (Airline Induced Divorce Syndrome). It doesn't have a name for nothing. My wife was a pilot, so she knew what she was getting into marrying my good for nothing a$$ , but I still had a long talk with her over it. I told her that I love her and our children more than life itself and even though I have never wanted to do anything other than fly for a living, if she ever thought that my career was putting our marriage in danger, or if it became too difficult for her to bear, just to say the word, and I would be DONE. (with the flying, not the marriage! )

All that being said, the most important thing is to have backup skills, where you can find another job if things don't work out for whatever reason. I am learning that lesson right now, since I don't have enough TT to fly anywhere, tons of debt, and no other skills because I have an aviation degree (stupid, stupid, STUPID). If anyone is majoring in this find another major NOW -or at least get another major or minor!

Anyway, my incoherant babble and rants are now over. Best of luck with everything!

 

[Quimby]

The type-rated FO logging PIC time on their legs is not what they're looking for. "Signing" for the a/c is the PIC time that will get you there & not draw questions at the logbook review on interview day.

 

[canyonblue737]

No kidding... Southwest accepts FAR part I definition for PIC?

So if you're a type-rated first officer then your legs (~50% of total time in the aircraft) could be considered PIC for the purposes of a Southwest application?

Wow.

as in everything reading the fine print is required...

"Southwest Airlines defines "Pilot in Command" as the Pilot responsible for the operation and safety of the aircraft during flight. This definition is taken from PART I of the FAR. Southwest Airlines further allows logging of PIC as follows: For an aircraft requiring a type rating: If both pilots are type rated, the pilot in the left seat and sole manipulator of the controls may log PIC. If only one pilot is type rated only that pilot may log PIC, regardless of seat position. For aircraft not requiring a type rating: Only the pilot in the left seat and sole manipulator of the controls may log PIC. For military personnel, Southwest Airlines will allow flight time logged as "Pilot In Command" (PIC) only if you are the Captain/Aircraft Commander or Instructor Pilot. Primary time will only be considered PIC on a specific aircraft after an individual upgrades to Aircraft Commander in the appropriate aircraft. Time logged, as "Other Time" will not be considered. When converting taxi time a conversion factor of .3 or eighteen minutes, per leg/sortie should be used. These guidelines are imposed by Southwest Airlines for the purpose of standardizing the calculation of flight time."

 

[scoreboard]

Ok, ok, this is a serious question. If a person was to go balls out training, that already has their private and working on their instrument, "guessing" how long would you say, how many years, could right seat be attained for flying for southwest?

For me, 22 years from start of flight training (C-150) to FO at SWA. Your mileage may vary.

So like Marine Grunt said, don't dwell on the long term, set each goal and attain it.