Reading Maxim in uniform

[rickair7777]

You are a tool. WTF is wrong with listing to an IPOD??? I get the pants and flight bag/backpack. Do must be the type of golden day glory boy that wears your full uniform around town. If you are a captain then you are probly a "this will be my leg" every flight guy..


Chil out man get with the times its not the 50's anymore

Public perception is a significant factor for the well being of any professional group...look and act like you're in junior high, and you can expect to get treated and paid as though you are. Even the 15 year old passenger with his own backpack and ipod gets nervous when he sees an alleged airline pilot who looks and dresses like a teenage slacker. Yes, I've had passengers make comments like that.

Why does every professional group in the world adhere to some kind of dress and conduct code in public...hmmm, maybe there's a reason for it.

 

[Prog 2/2]

I guess by "dudespeakers" you mean 20-somethings, right? Now I'm about double that, but if pilots in your "dudespeak" age bracket are the only ones you see acting or looking unprofessional then I really question your objectivity.

Are you less critical of a 50-year old slob pilot than a 24-year old slob pilot? If so, then you should ask yourself why. Be as critical of other pilots as you want (it's your blood pressure) but spare us the insinuation that unprofessional pilots are all (or even mostly) younger.

You may question my objectivity as you see fit, but I believe you read something into this that wasn't there.

The reply was specific to the post in quotes.

I am double that age as well; the point being that those of us on the back side of that clock are perhaps more guilty than the younger members of our profession when we forget what we represent. We should know better. So the sin, when ours, is even more egregious.

But the idea that we might have some standard to uphold, and that the standard might have some bearing on our status as professional pilots, seems a foreign concept to some of the younger pilots that populate this board.

No man is an island, and what any one man does to diminish our status, be they 20 or 50, they do to us all.

<Old guy rant mode off>

 

[ReverseSensing]

But the idea that we might have some standard to uphold, and that the standard might have some bearing on our status as professional pilots, seems a foreign concept to some of the younger pilots that populate this board.

Perhaps I shot first, then aimed, but in my experience this statement would be more precise and accurate if you had simply left out the word "younger." That is the bias I am referring to.

Perhaps from your perspective and/or in the circles you operate, young = less likely to appreciate the significance of professionalism. The "attitudes" (or more likely e-tudes) of some posters who populate this board are not, in my opinion, representative of how folks act when pax or CA's are around.

The majority of pilots I fly with are younger than me, and I just don't see in-the-public-eye professionalism as being primarily an age issue.

 

[Jack Mehoff]

you know prog2/2... Your ranting reminds me of my first corporate job. The Cheif pilot told me on my first day "what is your job as an F/O?" I told him I thought it was to perform the duties outlined in our SOP's. Provide all useful information during WX/emergency information ect. (Keep in mind my shoes are always shined shirts and pants always drycleaned and pressed.)

He told me I was wrong. I was very confused at this point and asked then what was my job. He responded "To make the Captain look good!" "If you do that, then someday you will have an F/O to make you look good no matter how much you screw up. A Captains job is to look like he knows what he is doing."

He was about 50 something and came from that golden era mind set of always the Capt's leg, get the coffee, and suck my _____. Your ranting reminds me of that retard. alot of your 40-50 something capts feel like you are heros no matter what and anyone that isn't in their 30's is a scumbag. you feel we all need to have a 1950's haircuts, shined shoes, and a hat or we are not worth dirt.

Look at pilot skills and attitude before you judge the younger generation buddy. When you F-up (and you grey hairs do just as much as us spikies) and are standing infront of the FAA it doesn't matter how nice your hat is you are still getting violated.

 

[Golden Falcon]

"she doesn't think" she's wroking without tools huh? just ignore her

 

[Golden Falcon]

"she doesn't think" she's working without tools huh? just ignore her

 

[CA1900]

Ok, a question to all of you who say that a nonrev/deadhead crewmemeber in uniform should not use their iPod: What is/isn't off limits then?

When CommutAir was still operating as US Airways Express, we got a whole pamphlet about uniform standards and behavior, entitled, "Impressions of Excellence." (I'm sure they're still handing it out! Anyone?)

Anyway, the copy I got specifically outlined things you should and shouldn't do in public view. (A lot of it was common sense. You know, things like "Don't sit in wheelchairs at the gate," which for some reason I find really sad that they needed to specify that.)

It addressed listening to headphones specifically: It said don't do it in the terminal (duh), but that it was perfectly acceptable to do so when deadheading in the back.

So there you go, there's one airline's take on it.

 

[Stifler's Mom]

I listen to an ipod on the plane and when sitting at the gate as a non-rev, but not while walking through the terminal.

I wouldn't read a Maxim around passengers at all.

As far as the reference to the "diesel" powered vibrator, that reminds me of the first Naked Gun movie where George Kennedy (Capt. Ed Hocken) held up the rubber dildo that was attached to a leaf blower. :laugh:

 

[wmuflyguy]

How is an Ipod in the terminal any worse than the pilots that walk around with the cellphone hands free piece hanging out of their ear and blabbing away?

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

Analysis on the "Tomb of the Unknowns" email:

http://www.snopes.com/military/unknown.asp

Sopes is always good to verify those emails that sound good. It is a good thing that snopes verifies the Tomb... especially the uniform part....

Thanks!

But really... isn't it about a commitment to professionalism. An internal code that says "I decide how I behave and dress"

Free Will is power....

 

[John Pennekamp]

This is all that needs to be said. Jumpseating is no different than being a guest in someones house. If you don't like their rules, tough sh*t.

Yes, except that you're the captain's guest, not the FA's. Another story of an FA who think's she's running the show. I would thank her for opinion and go back to reading. What's she going to do, pull the plane over and give you a spanking?

 

[xjmnpilot]

WMUFLYGUY - I think the Editors of Maxim would be highly dissapointed in you! Their take would be to turn the interest in your reading material by the F/A an opportunity! You should have turned that passive agressiveness right on back around and said, "Hey, its not that bad. Sit down next to me here and take a look!" Quite frankly, the women photographed for Maxim are no less scantilly-clad than those in Cosmo, or even Shape (yeah...Shape, the exercise mag, seriously). You could then ask questions about which women she finds more attractive, one thing leads to another....you get it? The added benefit is crew harmony...

'Course that wouldn't be good if she was a total hag.

 

[g159av8tor]

Having never had a problem reading Maxim in uniform in public, I always put the magazine away if asked, no questions. Maxim is the guys version of Cosmo, but there are some very antagonistic, hypocritical and prudish people in this world.

As long as it wasn't the UK version of Maxim. I like titties!!!

Tailwinds...

 

[Rez O. Lewshun]

How is an Ipod in the terminal any worse than the pilots that walk around with the cellphone hands free piece hanging out of their ear and blabbing away?

Valid.

I believe B6 doesn't want its pilots using cell phones in public view.

Let's look at it from the public's perception. Realize that the public has a completely niave, superfical impression of flight crews. And thier preception is their reality and...it is their money.

As a culture we accept phone conversations as generally important. (sure there are crews in uniform that don't have professional conversations.... [maybe even with crew scheduling ]) So how does a pilot discriminate when using a cell phone in public. That is what the professionalism concept is all about. Professionals do not need to be policed.

Listening to an I-pod is not percieved to be important. Your musical entertainment is not critical to flight safety. Just becuase I-pods are convienent doesn't mean it is a professional image.

 

[Quiet Flight]

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