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Maxim and Cosmo are both a bit on the tacky side. But, it's interesting how the female FA in the story seems to equate Maxim with Hustler. However, the pictures tend to be a bit more "revealing" in Maxim and Stuff and the like than in Cosmo et al.

If Suzi FA made a point of saying something, and I were DH or NRSA, I'd put it away. Hell, you may have the "right" to read it, but why die in that ditch?

(As far as I'm concerned what you do [iPod, sudoku, Maxim, crossword, kissy-face] on the FD/galley is up to you.)
 
Cosmo or Maxim?

Which periodical's cover (on their website) has the following teasers?

A. 8 new places to have sex.

B. Orgasms Unlimited.

C. Touch him THERE!

D. Get Summer Sexy
 
It is very disapointing to hear professional pilots trying to justify sloppines. There are "professional pilots" then there are these guys. These guys make us look like bums...

Sure these guys choose this duty. But we choose this profession. And yes professionals serve. They don't dress like sloppy frat boys and whine about low wages and how everyone else treats them poor, spewing amatuer hour ultimatums of "When they pay me better I'll dress better" God help us, because it is obvious we can't help ourselves....


Tomb of the Unknown Soldier


1. How many steps does the guard take during his walk across the tomb of the Unknowns and why?

21 steps. It alludes to the twenty-one gun salute, which is the highest honor given any military or foreign dignitary.



2. How long does he hesitate after his about face to begin his return walk and why?

21 seconds for the same reason as answer number 1


3. Why are his gloves wet?

His gloves are moistened to prevent his losing his grip on the rifle.



4. Does he carry his rifle on the same shoulder all the time and if not, why not?

He carries the rifle on the shoulder away from the tomb.
After his march across the path, he executes an about face and moves the rifle to the outside shoulder.

5. How often are the guards changed?

Guards are changed every thirty minutes, twenty-four hours a day, 365 days a year.


6. What are the physical traits of the guard limited to?

For a person to apply for guard duty at the tomb, he must be between 5' 10" and 6' 2" tall and his waist size cannot exceed 30." Other

requirements of the Guard: They must commit 2 years of life to guard the tomb, live in a barracks under the tomb, and cannot drink any alcohol on or off duty for the rest of their lives. They cannot swear in public for the rest of their lives and cannot disgrace the uniform {fighting} or the tomb in any way. After two years, the guard is given a wreath pin that is worn on their lapel signifying they served as guard of the tomb. There are only 400 presently worn. The guard must obey these rules for the rest of their lives or give up the wreath pin.

The shoes are specially made with very thick soles to keep the heat and cold from their feet. There are metal heel plates that extend to the top of the shoe in order to make the loud click as they come to a halt.
There are no wrinkles, folds or lint on the uniform. Guards dress for duty

in front of a full-length mirror.

The first six months of duty a guard cannot talk to anyone, nor watch TV. All off duty time is spent studying the 175 notable people laid

to rest in Arlington National Cemetery. A guard must memorize who they are

and where they are interred. Among the notables are: President Taft, Joe E. Lewis {the boxer} and Medal of Honor winner Audie Murphy, {the most decorated soldier of WWII} of Hollywood fame.

Every guard spends five hours a day getting his uniforms ready for guard duty.


ETERNAL REST GRANT THEM O LORD, AND LET PERPETUAL LIGHT SHINE UPON THEM.


In 2003 as Hurricane Isabelle was approaching Washington, DC, our

US Senate/House took 2 days off with anticipation of the storm. On the ABC

evening news, it was reported that because of the dangers from the hurricane, the military members assigned the duty of guarding the Tomb of

the Unknown Soldier were given permission to suspend the assignment. They

respectfully declined the offer, "No way, Sir!" Soaked to the skin, marching in the pelting rain of a tropical storm, they said that guarding

the Tomb was not just an assignment, it was the highest honor that can be

afforded to a serviceperson. The tomb has been patrolled continuously, 24/7, since 1930.

God Bless and keep them.


I don't usually suggest that many emails be forwarded, but I'd be very proud if this one reached as many as possible. We can be very proud

of our young men and women in the service no matter where they serve.
 
FlyingFerris said:
I had a similar experience with one of our flight attendents dead heading back to DTW from MSP on an EMPTY 757(she had her pick of empty aisles and sat in the same one as me, not a good thing.)



I bust out my Michigan Out of Doors (Basically a conservastion/hunting/fishing in an equal mix,) and proceed to relax and read. I hear "I don't like hunting," out of the trashy whores mouth, and I mummble a reply to the effect of "oh that's too bad, or sorry you don't." She got visably upset at that comment and goes on how since she didn't like hunting I should have the decency of not reading about it front of her, blah, blah, blah. I told her to not like hunting in one of the rows aft of us, and I'll go on not liking her right here. Seemed to work, never heard anorther word out of her.


This post is both brilliant and awsome. One of the best things i have read all day!
 
As much as I want to judge the pilots I see wearing ipods and backpacks as unprofessional, I often take a look at myself before hand.

My shoes are nice and shined

My pants are nicely pressed

My blazer is buttoned

I'm wearing my hat.

I have a massive erection that is obvious to anybody that looks at me.

oh crap.
 
FlyingFerris said:
I had a similar experience with one of our flight attendents dead heading back to DTW from MSP on an EMPTY 757(she had her pick of empty aisles and sat in the same one as me, not a good thing.)

I bust out my Michigan Out of Doors (Basically a conservastion/hunting/fishing in an equal mix,) and proceed to relax and read. I hear "I don't like hunting," out of the trashy whores mouth, and I mummble a reply to the effect of "oh that's too bad, or sorry you don't." She got visably upset at that comment and goes on how since she didn't like hunting I should have the decency of not reading about it front of her, blah, blah, blah. I told her to not like hunting in one of the rows aft of us, and I'll go on not liking her right here. Seemed to work, never heard anorther word out of her.

I would have told her that I have room for all of God's creatures....on my plate right next to the mashed potatos.

Nu
 
I think he is right! Hey, this is a forum and everyone is going to give their 2 cents. Fly safe!!
pilotguy733 said:
Reading Maxim in uniform is really tacky. This industry is getting less professional all the time! I'd give you a dirty look if I was sitting near you, and if I was your captain, I'd have a private man-to-man lesson on professionalism.

I'm getting really sick of seeing:

1. Pilots listening to Ipods
2. Pilots wearing backpacks
3. Reading Maxim or similar in public
4. Swearing in public
5. Pants from Sears that aren't even the right color blue
6. Your student pilot flight bag
7. Etc Etc!! I'm sure the FI crowd will come up with more...

Now I'm not a total shmuck - I think its perfectly acceptable to read whatever ya want in the cockpit - AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC EYE. Or, if conditions are appropriate, listing to an Ipod.
 
Jack Mehoff said:
You are a tool. WTF is wrong with listing to an IPOD??? I get the pants and flight bag/backpack. Do must be the type of golden day glory boy that wears your full uniform around town. If you are a captain then you are probly a "this will be my leg" every flight guy..


Chil out man get with the times its not the 50's anymore


Sure isn't.

Back then airline pilots wore shined shoes, buttoned their coats when they walked through the terminal, and wore their hats everywhere but the cockpit.

They were regarded as professionals because they appeared and acted as professionals, and they enjoyed a modicum of respect.

But you "dudespeakers" just don't seem to get the connection.
 
FoxyWhiskey said:
As a female f/o I'd allow you to read it, and the captains I fly with would too!

-FW

UMMM OK. Thank you?? I agree with your thoughts on this subject, however that one single statement... NOT COOL. I guess i will allow you to have your views..
 
Ok, a question to all of you who say that a nonrev/deadhead crewmemeber in uniform should not use their iPod: What is/isn't off limits then?

Is reading a book unprofessional?
Is working on a laptop unprofessional?
Is listening to the in-flight entertainment/watching a movie unprofessional?
Is eating unprofessional?

In all seriousness, you're sitting in a coach seat in the back. What should you be doing? Staring at the wall ahead? I'll give you the Maxim issue, I don't think I would do that either... but I'm just curious where you draw the line.
 
Prog 2/2 said:
But you "dudespeakers" just don't seem to get the connection.

I guess by "dudespeakers" you mean 20-somethings, right? Now I'm about double that, but if pilots in your "dudespeak" age bracket are the only ones you see acting or looking unprofessional then I really question your objectivity.

Are you less critical of a 50-year old slob pilot than a 24-year old slob pilot? If so, then you should ask yourself why. Be as critical of other pilots as you want (it's your blood pressure) but spare us the insinuation that unprofessional pilots are all (or even mostly) younger.
 
Originally Posted by pilotguy733
Reading Maxim in uniform is really tacky. This industry is getting less professional all the time! I'd give you a dirty look if I was sitting near you, and if I was your captain, I'd have a private man-to-man lesson on professionalism.

I'm getting really sick of seeing:

1. Pilots listening to Ipods
2. Pilots wearing backpacks
3. Reading Maxim or similar in public
4. Swearing in public
5. Pants from Sears that aren't even the right color blue
6. Your student pilot flight bag
7. Etc Etc!! I'm sure the FI crowd will come up with more...

Now I'm not a total shmuck - I think its perfectly acceptable to read whatever ya want in the cockpit - AWAY FROM THE PUBLIC EYE. Or, if conditions are appropriate, listing to an Ipod.
I agree. If you want to get respected like a pro, then don't make yourself look like a scumbag. I am generally a pretty relaxed person to work with and I take it easy on FO's. However, you had better act like a professional if you are going to work alongside of me. Once the doors are closed you can generally do whatever you want. But not in front of the passengers.
 
It is very disapointing to hear professional pilots trying to justify sloppines. There are "professional pilots" then there are these guys. These guys make us look like bums...

Sure these guys choose this duty. But we choose this profession. And yes professionals serve. They don't dress like sloppy frat boys and whine about low wages and how everyone else treats them poor, spewing amatuer hour ultimatums of "When they pay me better I'll dress better" God help us, because it is obvious we can't help ourselves....

Always well said by Rez. Others should listen up.
 
Jack Mehoff said:
You are a tool. WTF is wrong with listing to an IPOD??? I get the pants and flight bag/backpack. Do must be the type of golden day glory boy that wears your full uniform around town. If you are a captain then you are probly a "this will be my leg" every flight guy..


Chil out man get with the times its not the 50's anymore

Public perception is a significant factor for the well being of any professional group...look and act like you're in junior high, and you can expect to get treated and paid as though you are. Even the 15 year old passenger with his own backpack and ipod gets nervous when he sees an alleged airline pilot who looks and dresses like a teenage slacker. Yes, I've had passengers make comments like that.

Why does every professional group in the world adhere to some kind of dress and conduct code in public...hmmm, maybe there's a reason for it.
 
ReverseSensing said:
I guess by "dudespeakers" you mean 20-somethings, right? Now I'm about double that, but if pilots in your "dudespeak" age bracket are the only ones you see acting or looking unprofessional then I really question your objectivity.

Are you less critical of a 50-year old slob pilot than a 24-year old slob pilot? If so, then you should ask yourself why. Be as critical of other pilots as you want (it's your blood pressure) but spare us the insinuation that unprofessional pilots are all (or even mostly) younger.

You may question my objectivity as you see fit, but I believe you read something into this that wasn't there.

The reply was specific to the post in quotes.

I am double that age as well; the point being that those of us on the back side of that clock are perhaps more guilty than the younger members of our profession when we forget what we represent. We should know better. So the sin, when ours, is even more egregious.

But the idea that we might have some standard to uphold, and that the standard might have some bearing on our status as professional pilots, seems a foreign concept to some of the younger pilots that populate this board.

No man is an island, and what any one man does to diminish our status, be they 20 or 50, they do to us all.

<Old guy rant mode off>
 
Prog 2/2 said:
But the idea that we might have some standard to uphold, and that the standard might have some bearing on our status as professional pilots, seems a foreign concept to some of the younger pilots that populate this board.

Perhaps I shot first, then aimed, but in my experience this statement would be more precise and accurate if you had simply left out the word "younger." That is the bias I am referring to.

Perhaps from your perspective and/or in the circles you operate, young = less likely to appreciate the significance of professionalism. The "attitudes" (or more likely e-tudes) of some posters who populate this board are not, in my opinion, representative of how folks act when pax or CA's are around.

The majority of pilots I fly with are younger than me, and I just don't see in-the-public-eye professionalism as being primarily an age issue.
 
you know prog2/2... Your ranting reminds me of my first corporate job. The Cheif pilot told me on my first day "what is your job as an F/O?" I told him I thought it was to perform the duties outlined in our SOP's. Provide all useful information during WX/emergency information ect. (Keep in mind my shoes are always shined shirts and pants always drycleaned and pressed.)

He told me I was wrong. I was very confused at this point and asked then what was my job. He responded "To make the Captain look good!" "If you do that, then someday you will have an F/O to make you look good no matter how much you screw up. A Captains job is to look like he knows what he is doing."

He was about 50 something and came from that golden era mind set of always the Capt's leg, get the coffee, and suck my _____. Your ranting reminds me of that retard. alot of your 40-50 something capts feel like you are heros no matter what and anyone that isn't in their 30's is a scumbag. you feel we all need to have a 1950's haircuts, shined shoes, and a hat or we are not worth dirt.

Look at pilot skills and attitude before you judge the younger generation buddy. When you F-up (and you grey hairs do just as much as us spikies) and are standing infront of the FAA it doesn't matter how nice your hat is you are still getting violated.
 
"she doesn't think" she's wroking without tools huh? just ignore her
 
"she doesn't think" she's working without tools huh? just ignore her
 
sweptback said:
Ok, a question to all of you who say that a nonrev/deadhead crewmemeber in uniform should not use their iPod: What is/isn't off limits then?

When CommutAir was still operating as US Airways Express, we got a whole pamphlet about uniform standards and behavior, entitled, "Impressions of Excellence." (I'm sure they're still handing it out! Anyone?)

Anyway, the copy I got specifically outlined things you should and shouldn't do in public view. (A lot of it was common sense. You know, things like "Don't sit in wheelchairs at the gate," which for some reason I find really sad that they needed to specify that.)

It addressed listening to headphones specifically: It said don't do it in the terminal (duh), but that it was perfectly acceptable to do so when deadheading in the back.

So there you go, there's one airline's take on it.
 
I listen to an ipod on the plane and when sitting at the gate as a non-rev, but not while walking through the terminal.

I wouldn't read a Maxim around passengers at all.

As far as the reference to the "diesel" powered vibrator, that reminds me of the first Naked Gun movie where George Kennedy (Capt. Ed Hocken) held up the rubber dildo that was attached to a leaf blower. :laugh:
 
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How is an Ipod in the terminal any worse than the pilots that walk around with the cellphone hands free piece hanging out of their ear and blabbing away?
 
Spiritflight said:
Analysis on the "Tomb of the Unknowns" email:

http://www.snopes.com/military/unknown.asp

Sopes is always good to verify those emails that sound good. It is a good thing that snopes verifies the Tomb... especially the uniform part....

Thanks!

But really... isn't it about a commitment to professionalism. An internal code that says "I decide how I behave and dress"

Free Will is power....
 
DoinTime said:
This is all that needs to be said. Jumpseating is no different than being a guest in someones house. If you don't like their rules, tough sh*t.

Yes, except that you're the captain's guest, not the FA's. Another story of an FA who think's she's running the show. I would thank her for opinion and go back to reading. What's she going to do, pull the plane over and give you a spanking?
 
WMUFLYGUY - I think the Editors of Maxim would be highly dissapointed in you! Their take would be to turn the interest in your reading material by the F/A an opportunity! You should have turned that passive agressiveness right on back around and said, "Hey, its not that bad. Sit down next to me here and take a look!" Quite frankly, the women photographed for Maxim are no less scantilly-clad than those in Cosmo, or even Shape (yeah...Shape, the exercise mag, seriously). You could then ask questions about which women she finds more attractive, one thing leads to another....you get it? The added benefit is crew harmony...

'Course that wouldn't be good if she was a total hag.
 
Having never had a problem reading Maxim in uniform in public, I always put the magazine away if asked, no questions. Maxim is the guys version of Cosmo, but there are some very antagonistic, hypocritical and prudish people in this world.

As long as it wasn't the UK version of Maxim. I like titties!!!

Tailwinds...
 
wmuflyguy said:
How is an Ipod in the terminal any worse than the pilots that walk around with the cellphone hands free piece hanging out of their ear and blabbing away?

Valid.

I believe B6 doesn't want its pilots using cell phones in public view.

Let's look at it from the public's perception. Realize that the public has a completely niave, superfical impression of flight crews. And thier preception is their reality and...it is their money.

As a culture we accept phone conversations as generally important. (sure there are crews in uniform that don't have professional conversations.... [maybe even with crew scheduling :eek: ]) So how does a pilot discriminate when using a cell phone in public. That is what the professionalism concept is all about. Professionals do not need to be policed.

Listening to an I-pod is not percieved to be important. Your musical entertainment is not critical to flight safety. Just becuase I-pods are convienent doesn't mean it is a professional image.
 

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