RAH to operate 30-35 EMB-175 for US

[Lino Duce]

This is because your FO will be making $22-35/hr. Republic guys love to say how their payscales are average or better, and totally disregard what the FO's are making.

Don't you get it?? We made those payscales like that on purpose. No matter what they teach you in crm class, the Captain is the Captain and you are a paid passenger! Your payscale reflects this. Get used to it. One day, when you've got the tiller you'll understand. Phy- to the -fe knows what I'm talkin' about!

Deal with it.

p.s. Try to get in shape before you move on over here. You can't look professional with that flabby gut and your shirt tail hanging out.

 

[rtmcfi]

Anyone care to post the AWAC Bae-146 rates for FO and Cptn?

 

[Popeye0537]

Don't you get it?? We made those payscales like that on purpose. No matter what they teach you in crm class, the Captain is the Captain and you are a paid passenger! Your payscale reflects this. Get used to it. One day, when you've got the tiller you'll understand. Phy- to the -fe knows what I'm talkin' about!

Deal with it.

p.s. Try to get in shape before you move on over here. You can't look professional with that flabby gut and your shirt tail hanging out.[/quote

Ha ha ha, quit shaven your head you big *************************! You over in SDF now? Wow censorship.....I guess I call you a big f-a-gola instead

Goosee

 

[OPECJet]

Dougie can take one of those Jungle Busses and stick it where the sun doesn't shine.

I'm so sick of this crap I could puke......

 

[CHQ Pilot]

I'm going to garb a bag of popcorn (a good stiff drink) and watch this unfold. Better than anything on TV tonight.....I love it! If I get buzzed enough I might even be tempted to post...there just might be enough Jack left for that.

LinoDuce...PM sometime

 

[BoilerUP]

Facts....

Anyone care to post the AWAC Bae-146 rates for FO and Cptn?

146 rates effective March 1st, 2006.

----3-----5-----8-----12----15----18----20
CA 70.66 75.00 81.72 92.14 99.81 106.57 113.06
FO 42.39 45.00 49.03 52.08 (FO pay tops year 10 @ 52.08)

And for direct comparision, RAH 175 rates, effective Oct 1, 2005.

----3-----5-----8-----12----15----18----20
CA 69.98 74.37 81.50 92.47 100.87 109.15 (CA tops year 18)
FO 34.15 (FO pay tops year 4 @ 35.20.)


I'm pretty sure RAH doesn't have anybody near the 4 year FO mark, and if they do its on their own accord. Also, there are less than 25 people on the RAH list that currently have 12 years on property, and less than 90 people with 8 years on property.

 

[Jpilot23]

Anyone care to post the AWAC Bae-146 rates for FO and Cptn?

does AWAC fly the 146 still? i thought they were phasing all those planes out.

 

[BoilerUP]

The 146s were parked as of Easter Sunday.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Don't you get it?? We made those payscales like that on purpose. No matter what they teach you in crm class, the Captain is the Captain and you are a paid passenger! Your payscale reflects this. Get used to it. One day, when you've got the tiller you'll understand. Phy- to the -fe knows what I'm talkin' about!

Deal with it.

p.s. Try to get in shape before you move on over here. You can't look professional with that flabby gut and your shirt tail hanging out.

What a prick. Hope I know never fly with you if we ever up at the same airline. So I guess a 777 FO should make like $50 an hour or so cause they are just along for the ride

 

[8HourPilot]

Yes sir, I made you take those pay cuts......

I know, but you were the reason the others had to.

 

[Victor Meldrew]

146 rates effective March 1st, 2006.

----3-----5-----8-----12----15----18----20
CA 70.66 75.00 81.72 92.14 99.81 106.57 113.06
FO 42.39 45.00 49.03 52.08 (FO pay tops year 10 @ 52.08)

And for direct comparision, RAH 175 rates, effective Oct 1, 2005.

----3-----5-----8-----12----15----18----20
CA 69.98 74.37 81.50 92.47 100.87 109.15 (CA tops year 18)
FO 34.15 (FO pay tops year 4 @ 35.20.)


I'm pretty sure RAH doesn't have anybody near the 4 year FO mark, and if they do its on their own accord. Also, there are less than 25 people on the RAH list that currently have 12 years on property, and less than 90 people with 8 years on property.

Remember those rates are AFTER we had to take concessions so RAH, Shuttle could take over with their 170's at a low ball rate at UAL!! Add at least $20/hr Captain and $8 for FO prior to cuts!!

 

[Victor Meldrew]

Yes sir, I made you take those pay cuts......

Darn straight you did and it's certainly not something I'd be proud of either, but then you probably have no morals anyway.

 

[The Drizzle]

jesus, give it a rest already

 

[TraneOfThought]

We're screwed, forget what our contract says what were gonna get paid for the 175/190 were not gonna get it! If Usair and JetBlue arent paying $100 hr for a 100 seater how are gonna get $100 hr for 86 seats. This is just plain common sense, PLEAEEEESSSE DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE! Flying the 175? how about better QOL, Health Beenies, we need to check our priorities! Y'all can keep the 175!

 

[spiffomatic]

We're screwed, forget what our contract says what were gonna get paid for the 175/190 were not gonna get it! If Usair and JetBlue arent paying $100 hr for a 100 seater how are gonna get $100 hr for 86 seats.

No... they pay will come in as advertised, because the company more than makes up for it (at least compared to Airways) in inferior retirement fund matching and work rules that don't match the others mentioned. If I remember correctly, jetBlue pays 150% for flight hours over a certain amount, and Airways puts something like 10% towards pilot retirement accounts. Republic matches the majority of the company at 2.5% for 401Ks and pays the majority of FOs between $21 and $31. Sure, the hourly pay for CAs will be there because it's only a small part of a big cost equation. The contract will hold because it's still a cheaper contract.

But don't worry, the sky IS falling... just not in the way you think it is.

 

[8HourPilot]

Nope no morals either, joining you and your avatar. Take a walk pal. Better yet, take a paycut, you are being forced to, by me.

Darn straight you did and it's certainly not something I'd be proud of either, but then you probably have no morals anyway.

 

[bvt1151]

Nope no morals either, joining you and your avatar. Take a walk pal. Better yet, take a paycut, you are being forced to, by me.

Quote From Judge Hardin (Presiding over Comair Bankruptcy):

" Two of the industry leaders in providing low cost lift are Mesa
Airlines and Republic Airways, both with highly competitive labor agreements.
Competitive realities now dictate that other regional airline labor contracts are
now measured against those two air carriers."



Still don't think you're affecting all of our pay?

 

[BlueCanoe]

Quote From Judge Hardin (Presiding over Comair Bankruptcy):

" Two of the industry leaders in providing low cost lift are Mesa
Airlines and Republic Airways, both with highly competitive labor agreements.
Competitive realities now dictate that other regional airline labor contracts are
now measured against those two air carriers."



Still don't think you're affecting all of our pay?

If your reasoning is true, why do SWA pilots make more than "heavy iron" pilots at the "legacies"? It's becasue they take care of THEIR house, and they are making money. Go back to KLAF, it's obvious you went Ugly Early. We tailored a contract around OUR house at the time. The number 1 priority was SCOPE. If you don't understand why, ask a TSA pilot. Number 2, was QoL. Again and for the last time, we had improvements in every area. If you are too stupid to know why, do a FI search on why we did what we did. Our bar was raised in our house. It will be raised in the next contract, and preserve our scope. We're quickly becoming an industry leader, and our next contract will reflect that.

 

[BlueCanoe]

Canoe I'll give you that; however WERE NEVER GONNA GET DECENT PAY, WERE REGIONAL PILOTS. If that mentality stays around, we will ALWAYS be that, we can change it. The tail is wagging the dog now If JetBlue and America West/USAir is paying less than $100 hr for the 190 what makes you think were gonna get good money for the 175. Mgmt is gonna screw us and make us be like everybody else.... Flying 70 plus seat A/C for for T-Prop wages. Sure I care about out for my future and I wanna see everybody eat, but when the regionals take all the flying how else can we goto onto Heavier metal, ie 717, 757, 777, and alladat good stuff. Just beacuse those before dropped the ball doesnt mean we cant pick it up. I really hope Doug Parker wakes up.........

If you are so angry, quit the industry. As a matter of fact, all you know-it-alls, and pissed off angry people quit. It will reduce the supply of qualified pilots and make me more in demand. As my demand goes up, so does my price...Econ 101 as some FI genius already posted. You can go fly heavy metal. World, OAI, Kallitta, Focus, MaxJet and Cargo 360 are all hiring, but with your qualifications, I'd shoot for FDX or UPS. You'd be all over it. You could always go to Allegiant....

Also, I know you missed the point so I'll make it one time loud and clear: THE REGIONALS DIDN'T TAKE THE FLYING. IT WAS GIVEN TO US. IF WE DON'T DO IT, ANOTHER COMPANY WILL. YOU MAY AS WELL MAKE YOUR COMPANY THE MOST LIVABLE YOU CAN, CAUSE THERE AIN'T MANY PLACES TO GO FROM A TOP TIER REGIONAL RIGHT NOW. GET YOUR 1000 PIC AND PROVE ME WRONG.

 

[bvt1151]

Go back to KLAF, it's obvious you went Ugly Early.

As a matter of fact, I've done that on many an occasion

We tailored a contract around OUR house at the time. The number 1 priority was SCOPE. If you don't understand why, ask a TSA pilot. Number 2, was QoL. Again and for the last time, we had improvements in every area. If you are too stupid to know why, do a FI search on why we did what we did. Our bar was raised in our house. It will be raised in the next contract, and preserve our scope. We're quickly becoming an industry leader, and our next contract will reflect that.

Hey, I just posted a quote directly from the bankruptcy judge. If he says you're lowing all our pay, and you say you aren't, guess who we're going to believe. If you've got a problem with the quote, take it up with him.

 

[TraneOfThought]

No i think youre missing the point regionals will never be like the majors for 1 reason and 1 reason only its not our flying to begin with It never was. Sure we can raise the bar i.e. Comair, ACA and so on but you saw what happened (No dissrespect intended). bankruptcy, going out of business??? WHY???? Cause its not our flying and to make matter worse mgmt gives mainline flying to regional, but when we take their flying for lowball wages just to say were flying the emb170, CRJ700, etc.etc... how does that make us look.
I apologize if im sounding like im on a soapbox but come on.

Maybe its me and im missing the point, hell maybe i should quit

 

[BlueCanoe]

No i think youre missing the point regionals will never be like the majors for 1 reason and 1 reason only its not our flying to begin with It never was. Sure we can raise the bar i.e. Comair, ACA and so on but you saw what happened (No dissrespect intended). bankruptcy, going out of business??? WHY???? Cause its not our flying and to make matter worse mgmt gives mainline flying to regional, but when we take their flying for lowball wages just to say were flying the emb170, CRJ700, etc.etc... how does that make us look.
I apologize if im sounding like im on a soapbox but come on.

Maybe its me and im missing the point, hell maybe i should quit

I understand what you're saying, but here's the deal. We don't "take" their flying. We don't choose what airplanes we fly either. Their management gives the flying away becasue they can't make money doing it. Whose fault is that? I don't know, but they work at the mainline. Our management fills out a bid and recieves the flying. I sure didn't call BB and say, "hey, that 170 looks cool, why don't you buy some?" He wanted them, and he got them. Now we fly them. I can't help the fact that ALPA can't even spell scope anymore. I don't care what airplane I fly. I want the one that pays me well and gets me the most days at home. Talking with my mainline jumpseaters, and comparing W2s and days off, I'm catching up with pay and far surpassed on days off. I, personally, can't see myself sitting reserve for far less than I make now, and then when I finally upgrade there, still be making barely more than I would be if I stay here. With that pay difference, also comes a kick in your retirement. Run your own numbers and see what you come up with. Do you do better at 60 staying at RAH with a little less money made over your career, or does the medium term of being behind what you make here, then having a higher ending pay more than make up? Don't forget to throw in a couple 4-5 year furloughs or a 4-5 year downgrade as well.

I've come to the realization that the "great" jobs are gone. No more making 250k a year for working 10 days a month flying a domestic schedule. It's over and done. If that's why you are flying airplanes, quit. You won't get it.

 

[Cloudroller]

BVT - Mesa's labor contract were negotiated during a different time. Comair had guys on furlough when Mesa started negotiating their contract. Some of you Comair pilots need to get over it. The airline industry is not the same. You need to go talk to a Airways, United, or Delta pilot. Let them know how they lowered the bar by accepting wage concessions - to be competative with Jetblue, Southwest, Sprit, & Airtran. And how their concessions are affecting the RJ drivers.

Report back to us your findings.

 

[AirBill]

Hey, I just posted a quote directly from the bankruptcy judge. If he says you're lowing all our pay, and you say you aren't, guess who we're going to believe. If you've got a problem with the quote, take it up with him.

Y'know, it's funny how we will criticize judges for mouthing off, saying something we don't agree with, like the judge who presided over the Delta bankruptcy who chided the pilots for making too much money. But the minute a judge says something we agree with, we quote it like it's gospel.

 

[Stealthh21]

RAH bought MDA....

wtf is RAH and MDA?

 

[wings421]

wtf is RAH and MDA?

Republic Airways Holdings (Chautauqua, Shuttle America, Republic) and Mid-Atlantic (operated E170s at USAirways until RAH bought the assets).

 

[ERJDRVR]

BVT, you won't have to worry about pay cuts too much longer. (You know what I mean)

PS, get a set of balls or borrow some from your flight attendants.

Oh yes, you punks took pay cuts, RAH has NEVER taken a paycut.

 

[EMB170Pilot]

btw, can yall speak up a lil louder please. It is hard to hear you little grasshoppers from up here in my pilot seat.

Thank you:beer:

 

[BankAccount=0$]

6 pages and not even one Mesa sucks comment??? WTF?????

Congats Code Shares-R-Us, you have stolen everyone's flying and Mesa's most hated airline title all in one fell swoop.

As long as we fly for a legacy carrier, none of our respective airlines own any flying. The stuff we do is just a gift to keep us from deciding to compete for a piece of the pie on our own. The fact that we all love to fight on here about who is stealing who's flying does nothing but encourage management to continue to feed us these crap offers and concessions.

 

[OPECJet]

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