Radar Knowledge

[wmuflyguy]

Seems most of us get all of our radar training from videos and CBTs. The information is all valid and accurate but until you see it and "play" with it, you don't learn it. Sadly, many of our cohorts think it unprofessional to "play" with the equipment. So you get countless pilots who have all been "trained" but understand jack-**** about radar - except maybe how to run the Built-in-test and rotely answer questions on the oral.

Why do people care about weather that's far below them - unless they're planning on descending into it?

Also, when you do the CBT it may be months until you use the radar. Good luck remembering that CBT that long.

 

[bafanguy]

I've jumpseated on plenty of mainline aircraft (particularly the -88) there the pilots have done the same thing. I kept my laughter to myself.

Were the -88s you mention Delta ? If so, I'm a bit surprised you saw people who didn't know how to operate radar (if that's what you meant). They aren't exactly inexperienced people and the DL POM has a pretty good radar section with adequate theory.

But, Dumb Pilot is correct in that little time is spent "teaching" people how to operate wx radar these days. Many years ago, as an example, UAL had a dedicated radar course complete with their own manual and sufficient time addressing the subject in class as best they could. However, that's history.

Like FMS, learning how to operate radar is very much hands-on and experience based. However, there is now ample material available for people to bolster their knowledge base: books and some pretty good articles, much available online. I think I remember Robert Sumwalt wrote a series of good radar articles.

I can recommend a good text written by a DL guy:

http://www.amazon.com/Airborne-Weather-Radar-Users-Guide/dp/0813813638

I don't know where Amazon comes up with those prices but it's a very good radar textbook. (I have no financial interest in this book)

I suppose the first step in correcting a lack of knowledge would be recognizing that lack. For new people, recognizing their employer's CBT didn't amount to much would be a hint. The less experience that new person has, the more obvious that training deficit should be. Asking questions of the captains they fly with would be a good start; most captains will have a good knowledge/experience base.

I had the privilege of flying with some old captains whose experience involved flying before airborne wx radar. The stories would make the hair stand up on the back of your neck.

Flying today with an inadequate knowledge of radar use/operation would be better than having no radar but it's pretty easy to get educated on proper operation. It just requires recognizing the need and having to motivation to fix that.

Ya'll be careful out there.

 

[trip]

I think I would have taught them the basics.

 

[rettofly]

Seems most of us get all of our radar training from videos and CBTs. The information is all valid and accurate but until you see it and "play" with it, you don't learn it. Sadly, many of our cohorts think it unprofessional to "play" with the equipment. So you get countless pilots who have all been "trained" but understand jack-**** about radar - except maybe how to run the Built-in-test and rotely answer questions on the oral.

Why do people care about weather that's far below them - unless they're planning on descending into it?

That cuts both ways.

Who has not been offered an unsolicited deviation around weather far below them? "There is an area of extreme precipitation twelve o'clock at forty miles. Would you prefer to deviate left or right?"

 

[av8tor19]

Even though the original post is comical, the opposite can happen. We had a crew at 370 running +2 on the tilt. I think the report said they saw it paint red 1 time before they flew in to a CB and put the FA on the ceiling.

Another site:

http://www.radar4pilots.com/

 

[Jet_Dreamer]

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/med...ems/AirbusSafetyLib_-FLT_OPS-ADV_WX-SEQ07.pdf

 

[bafanguy]

This guy puts out some good stuff:

http://airlinesafety.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/airborne-weather-avoidance/

http://airlinesafety.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/video-of-a-downburst/

 

[Kaman]

Operating radar is a skill-set that needs to be properly taught, and refined through operational experience..."see, if we can get 30 right for weather...What weather? The lines of weather on the radar!!! Adjust the tilt up to 0...what happened? You were painting the Appalachians, sir. Do yourself a favor turn on the EGPWS and then look at the radar, tell me what you see...Better yet, switch to MAP and tell me what you see with your original tilt setting...hmmmmm...Not their fault...ZERO training and about 1/2 the Captains are clueless with radar also. I don't consider myself an expert, but I am a military trained airborne radar operator, so draw your own conclusions about my knowledge and proficiency on optimal radar use. MORE importantly, everyone can and should learn how, and it just takes a little reading and practical experience and you will cease weather deviation for CLE

 

[Clutch]

They don't have the money to train radar at Gojet

 

[Flyer1015]

I had one guy ask me to request a deviation around "a lot of that green up ahead" (he pointed to his Nav Display). I replied, "you have Terrain on ND" on.


Not even joking.

 

[blesko]

This guy puts out some good stuff:

http://airlinesafety.wordpress.com/2012/05/17/airborne-weather-avoidance/

http://airlinesafety.wordpress.com/2014/09/07/video-of-a-downburst/

Shem is a great guy and incredibly knowledgeable. He and I did out Masters at FIT together a few years ago.

 

[I fLy pLaNeS]

http://www.airbus.com/fileadmin/med...ems/AirbusSafetyLib_-FLT_OPS-ADV_WX-SEQ07.pdf

This is really good, thank you.

 

[340drvr]

Sounds like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQqyeWBZrLQ

 

[brokeflyer]

any of you orbiter check airman think about looking out the window?

 

[Flyin2low]

any of you orbiter check airman think about looking out the window?

That's what I do most of the time. You can usually get through the weather by doing just that.