Questions for the UNICAL pilots.

[Flopgut]

I don't think you are wrong. We would have not taken it sitting down. I wonder why that is? My opinion, and please feel free to tell me I am wrong, is the CO group is used to getting screwed. They have almost become numb to it. Jeff S , and you were correct about what a piece of work he is, has been calling the shots without an appropriate amount of resistance.

Ok, I have to ask where you've come up with this? Other than just a coping mechanism or idle bs, it doesn't make sense to me. When our contract got violated by the LUAL 70 seat RJ issue, we grieved it and it was adjudicated and we won. It was a small victory, but we took mgt to task through proper channels and won. Conversely, when SFO was going to open a 737 base, your side begged mgt not to follow thru with it because you were to "emotionally" hurt by it. Where is that in the collective bargaining playbook!? You warned me about individual side deals with mgt a few years ago, and your entire side cut one with mgt! You do a good job of complaining, of suing the CAL pilots (the two lawsuits holding up the rest of the lump sum are from LUAL pilots), but I don't see much else. I still have NO idea how you lost the Aer Lingus Greivance.

And here is another question, from another thread conversation but lets chat here: we fly planes for money... How much money did you lose that you blame strike breakers for? I'm talking net $ AFTER united picked you up? Seems to me you recovered fairly well; About as well as any pilot did recover from that sort of thing. How in touch are you really with your LUAL furloughs? They got decimated,ok. What I'm saying is I don't think we can afford your grudge anymore. We ALL need to make money. A lot of money. If we spend 4 years rehashing who's on and not on your list, instead of using every spare moment and each bit of energy to prepare to take mgt to the cleaners, is that ok? Are we that stupid? Or is there really that much left undone from your earlier career that is worth $?


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[eaglesview]

Flops,
Again you are the king of just saying crap and telling folks what they said and not even coming close to reality. Flight manuals must be a bitch for you. Show me where I said strike breakers cost me money!! I said they would be happy to do it for less, if you have to, start reading things twice before you post.

 

[Flopgut]

Show me where I said strike breakers cost me money!!

On another thread we both agreed we fly for money. I would like to hear your estimate for what the strike breakers cost you? What happened back then to you was bad, but since rehashing it is going to cost us all money, I feel we need to drop it. I don't like or approve of that past behavior on those pilots part. But I'm through caring!! You're basically admitting you have no financial problem with these pilots, is that right? If not, lets hear the $ amount? Because the bottom half of this list needs big dollar increases on the next contract that we can't get if you and your "unionists" [joke] trowel out your bs of yesteryear. It's effect is no different than strike breakers doing the job for less.



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[Plug]

To answer the original posters' question.....I'm a spring '06 hire at CAL and lost 1% bidding power (bidding power is all that really matters IMHO) and the UAL pilots lumped in with me gained 11% in the SLI. Prior to the merger I was set to retire at #31 at CAL and that is the exact number that I will retire on the combined list. On a static fleet basis and only taking in to consideration attrition, I will hit 50% no later than 2022 (43 years old), and if I go to 65 I will spend my last 5 years in the top 100. Did I get hosed? No, however, I didn't benefit from the aircraft that CAL brought to the merger and put in to service over the last 3 years. The aircraft that Andy says are being paid for with LUAL cash, yet LUAL was mortgaging spare parts at 17.5% interest, but whatever. I realize that I fall in a small group where the affects of the ISL are pretty neutral.

 

[Shrek]

Neutral?! - you made out like a bandit and you know it. How many more 777s ALONE did UAL bring to the game?

Doesn't matter though now - it is what it is. And if a L-UAL guy would have spouted off half truths I would have called him out on it too.

Because ya see - there are only UAL pilots on one list now. Move on.

 

[chppr5]

Neutral?! - you made out like a bandit and you know it. How many more 777s ALONE did UAL bring to the game?

Doesn't matter though now - it is what it is. And if a L-UAL guy would have spouted off half truths I would have called him out on it too.

Because ya see - there are only UAL pilots on one list now. Move on.

Stop confusing them with facts Shrek. What he doesn't mention is how much SOONER he'll see widebody Cap due to the 3:1 ratio from LUAL.

 

[igneousy2]

To answer the original posters' question.....I'm a spring '06 hire at CAL and lost 1% bidding power (bidding power is all that really matters IMHO) and the UAL pilots lumped in with me gained 11% in the SLI. Prior to the merger I was set to retire at #31 at CAL and that is the exact number that I will retire on the combined list. On a static fleet basis and only taking in to consideration attrition, I will hit 50% no later than 2022 (43 years old), and if I go to 65 I will spend my last 5 years in the top 100. Did I get hosed? No, however, I didn't benefit from the aircraft that CAL brought to the merger and put in to service over the last 3 years. The aircraft that Andy says are being paid for with LUAL cash, yet LUAL was mortgaging spare parts at 17.5% interest, but whatever. I realize that I fall in a small group where the affects of the ISL are pretty neutral.

#31 out of a much larger pilot group means that you have done quite well...neutral? You are crazy if you seriously consider your situation neutral. Congratulations...you win.

 

[AirMike]

Now that Phase 7 is in the content locker, it appears that we may begin mixing crews sooner than later. That being said, for the CO guys....... You will not be welcome on the 767....... No CO F/O will ever get a landing. Go ahead and bid into the isht.

 

[eaglesview]

Now that Phase 7 is in the content locker, it appears that we may begin mixing crews sooner than later. That being said, for the CO guys....... You will not be welcome on the 767....... No CO F/O will ever get a landing. Go ahead and bid into the isht.

You are an idiot. As a UAL pilot I can assure you this is BS put out there by a loose cannon who probably has never flown in his life.

 

[Plug]

Neutral?! - you made out like a bandit and you know it. How many more 777s ALONE did UAL bring to the game?

Doesn't matter though now - it is what it is. And if a L-UAL guy would have spouted off half truths I would have called him out on it too.

Because ya see - there are only UAL pilots on one list now. Move on.

I know these boards are 2 dimensional so maybe you didn't get the undertone, I have moved on, much more important things in life to worry about. By neutral, I mean that while my UAL counterparts on the list get an 11% bump overnight I take an initial hit of 1%. That's right now, that's real. What I benefit from comes later on and is by no means guaranteed. We don't know what would have happened on a standalone basis but I'd much rather be working for the airline that is winning awards, investing in it's fleet, and maintaining a modest growth plan vs. an airline that is bleeding money, has an aging fleet with nothing on order, and has an outdated product.

Since you brought up the 777, a lot of the LUAL folks seem to think that CAL got the winning end of the deal because of all the MEL ridden "Jumbo" aircraft you brought. Tell me, is it fun canceling a flight and spending an extra night away from home because your printer goes inop at the out station?