Questions for the UNICAL pilots.

[eaglesview]

A furloughed guy who hasn't worked in a decade went above working cal guys. Complete horsesh*t. Also, about 500 92 ual guys in the middle didn't have one cal guy between them. How do u explain that? F*ck alpa. I'll never wear their retarded pin again.

That's comical. ALPA did this to you? Have you asked any questions of your merger committee? Have you asked why they didn't even know the basic guidelines?

The guys in the middle are there due to the longevity part of the equation. Again that was proposed by a merger committee that actually read the merger policy before putting in there proposal. Please ask your merger committee why they were so ignorant about the process before you assume some outside force " did this to you."

 

[SWA Bubba]

Seems to me both airlines would have had periods of hiring large blocks of pilots. Obviously at different times. So why would some hired in a 92 hiring spree have a different relative position as others in the same block of hires?
As far as ALPA goes, you would have been a lot worse off without it. Sounds like you screwed by over reaching from your merger committee? Hardly ALPA's fault.
Funny thing about mergers. ALPA is supposed to represent ALL the pilots. There are always individuals who thing ALPA was there to represent just them.

Hey Dan,

Individuals aside, do you really believe that ALPA represents all of its pilot groups the same? That is, equally and fairly? And I'm speaking generally; not pointing to any specific case.

Bubba

 

[Furloughed80]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Furloughed80
Andy,

How many voluntary furloughs were there at UA?

Anyone??

 

[Flopgut]

That's comical. ALPA did this to you? Have you asked any questions of your merger committee? Have you asked why they didn't even know the basic guidelines?

The guys in the middle are there due to the longevity part of the equation. Again that was proposed by a merger committee that actually read the merger policy before putting in there proposal. Please ask your merger committee why they were so ignorant about the process before you assume some outside force " did this to you."

It was messy for sure, but that so many UAL ALPA guys are now completely on board with merger policy, bought to make more than a few pilots think Brucia might deserve a little credit.

I'm not throwing out an insult here. Not really even directing that at you, I know you understand a code. But are you not surprised at least a little at how your fellow UAL pilots now feel merger policy is gospel?

 

[eaglesview]

It was messy for sure, but that so many UAL ALPA guys are now completely on board with merger policy, bought to make more than a few pilots think Brucia might deserve a little credit.

I'm not throwing out an insult here. Not really even directing that at you, I know you understand a code. But are you not surprised at least a little at how your fellow UAL pilots now feel merger policy is gospel?

No I am not surprised because that is all that was talked about in the cockpits over the last few months. We felt we had an advantage in longevity and the number of heavies on our property. We were unsure about status as I would venture to say CO has as many Captains as we do (I admit I do not know the numbers ) It was all a mystery as an arbitration can go many different directions as you know.

 

[St. Nic]

Well some current hatchet math says I was roughly 95% of working pilots on the CAL list 3 years ago being merged in with someone about 105% on the UAL list. More importantly, I am currently 80% on the CAL list with 6 straight years of employment being merged behind someone who is still 105% on their list and hasn't worked at their airline in almost 5 years. To say this is the biggest screwjob in the history of ISLs is an exaggeration, as I know TWA got it worse but I don't know of anyone else.

As for question #2, the bottom guy at UAL is being integrated somewhere around a guy in the 75% neighborhood at CAL, not sure where he was 3 years ago though.

US got screwed more

 

[Ex737Driver]

US got screwed more

Dude, this so opens up the door for USAir pilots if the merger with AA is ever allowed.

 

[get2flyin]

US got screwed more

Well, I actually expected it wouldn't take anywhere near this long for an Eastie to try and make this about them. Nearly 36 hours! I'm so impressed with your restraint!

 

[Flopgut]

No I am not surprised because that is all that was talked about in the cockpits over the last few months. We felt we had an advantage in longevity and the number of heavies on our property. We were unsure about status as I would venture to say CO has as many Captains as we do (I admit I do not know the numbers ) It was all a mystery as an arbitration can go many different directions as you know.

When I came to CAL I figured we would be the least likely to prevail well in a ALPA merger. We weren't even ALPA. When we joined I thought it would still be more difficult for us. If this merger had been 15 years ago we would have been lucky to have been stapled. Certainly we're the least likely airline to have entered into a deal with the like of UAL and have come out the way we did. 15 years ago we would be looking for jobs instead of looking at opportunity. I know the guys senior to me remember this, I don't think the guys junior to me do. I don't think our merger guys are baffoons that didnt know the policy. I think everything they did was to garner a certain reaction out of your side.

Anyway, what has to happen now is for us to start acting like a union. The rank and file need to pull the same direction. There should be no reason we don't take mgt to the woodshed on our next contract. I know you understand this.

 

[Shrek]

Anyway, what has to happen now is for us to start acting like a union. The rank and file need to pull the same direction. There should be no reason we don't take mgt to the woodshed on our next contract. I know you understand this..............

THIS ..........