Question for you fractional guys

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I was waiting in a conga line at a really busy east coast airport and I saw a Gulfstream owned by a fractional waiting as well.

This made me think: do you fractional guys charge your customers per hour, so ground holds can double the cost of a flight, or is it per mile, so that a trip costs what it costs, regardless of EDCT?
 

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Block to block
 

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So if some guy sits on the ground in a conga line at Kennedy for an hour, then flies to a destination only two hours away, he has to pay for three hours?

Yowza, doesn't anyone in the back start getting frantic during lengthy delays?
 

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They are warned by owner services about potential ground delays at big airports like JFK and LaGarbage, but these people typically don't care. If they can afford the 10K+ per hour for the Gulfstream, they can afford some ground waits with it. At least when they fly out of White Plains or Teterboro they can do most of the ground delay on the ramp without firing up the engines and starting the clock, but some of them just want the other airports instead.
 

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I've had owners flip out not because they were worried about ground delays and cost but because they want to go now.
 

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Most frax charge "wheels up to wheels down" plus 0.1 hour each for take off and landing. The on the ground waiting time ends up "getting paid for" in the monthly management fees. If you have an ATC delay and reroute or circle, that is time between "wheels up to wheels down" and gets paid for by the owner. I know this is the case with NJA, Flex and CS. I can not speak for FLOPs.

Fly safe.
 

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"Wheels up to wheels down" is different from "block to block" fo sho.

Do you guys use ACARS, or just pencil in the times in a logbook?
 

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Do you guys use ACARS, or just pencil in the times in a logbook?
We page the times in manually, but we do it based on the flight times that the FMS records, so it's dead-on accurate.

As NJAowner says, we (NetJets) charge for wheels up to wheels down, plus 6 minutes of taxi time on each end of the flight regardless of how long it really takes. (Source: NetJets web site.) Anything beyond that (say, an hour-long taxi at LGA) isn't directly charged to the owner.
 
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my bad I thought we were doing block to block in high volume airports where delays were common.
 

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my bad I thought we were doing block to block in high volume airports where delays were common.
Its okay, your not the first guy to throw out mis-information for the world to read. I once spent an hour speaking with and showing the a/c to a gentlemen who seemed very interested in our program. It was undone in less than 10 min by some moron who started throwing out prices and other information. Apparently he received the "how to sell a share class" that none of the rest of us received.

Long story short the gentleman would not even call and talk to owner services about our program after that fine display. Now he probably couldn't afford it anyway, but thats not the point, because we have no idea who he might know.
 

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I didn't throw it out. I believed it was correct but was incorrect. Everyone gets something wrong. Me just not as much.
 

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I think the point is if you don't know then STFU.
 

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I think the point is if you don't know then STFU.
Well if that is the new rules on this website many of the people that post here are screwed.

I can think of quite a few that post whatever they feel like, with no facts to back anything up.

Hell, here are some names; B19, JonJuan are two that pop to mind.
 

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We page the times in manually, but we do it based on the flight times that the FMS records, so it's dead-on accurate.

As NJAowner says, we (NetJets) charge for wheels up to wheels down, plus 6 minutes of taxi time on each end of the flight regardless of how long it really takes. (Source: NetJets web site.) Anything beyond that (say, an hour-long taxi at LGA) isn't directly charged to the owner.

actually you are wrong.

NJA gives the owner 6 minutes on each side of the trip anything over for taxi time the owner pays for.

how long you been here man?
 

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actually you are wrong.

NJA gives the owner 6 minutes on each side of the trip anything over for taxi time the owner pays for.

how long you been here man?
Couple of years. That's how I understood it, and that's exactly what our web page says:

Occupied Hourly Fee
The occupied hourly fee covers flight specific direct operating costs including standard fuel, maintenance, catering (for light and midsize aircraft), and landing fees. You’re charged only for occupied flight hours plus 6 minutes of taxi time (12 minutes on the BBJ) at the beginning and end of each flight.

Maybe it's changed since you got here? I dunno. But that's what I'm reading right off our sales page, and what NJAowner (who pays the bills!) says as well.
 

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HawkerDude -- how many contracts hav eyou signed or ho wmany bills have you received and paid. Either (a) you are wrong, or (b) my contract is abnormal and I have an incredible deal which no other owner has at NJA, or (c) Columbus has been billing me wrong for over 8 years. I will go with (a).

I do not get billed for taxi or ground time, period. I get 0.1 hour (or 6 minutes you decide) tacked on to the beginning and end of each flight for taxi time regardless of the actual amount of time spent in line (that adds up to 0.2 per flight). I know for a fact that CS an Flex do the same.

Diesel -- don't feel bad. I was wrong once too -- I thought I had made a mistake (Only joking guys before you start flaming me).

Fly safe.
 

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Been here 8 years HawkerDude - its 6 minutes.
 

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I'm never wrong just slightly misinformed. :)

Haaaa
 

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cost

Dont kid yourself...... EVERYTHING is paid for by the customer in one way or another..... How do you think we make a profit?

Free ferry? hahahaaaaw thats crap, they pay for it all...........
 
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