Question for US Air and AWA Pilots

[Bubba Dog]

As to item "D" you will maintain your position via percentile slotting. I believe this may have been what happened when Trump Shuttle and USAir merged their list and also I believe that arbitrator is the same one that will hear this one that heard the Trump Shuttle integration,so maybe some precedence has been set.

 

[Bubba Dog]

I have a friend of mine at AWA but is furloughed from US and still has his US seniority number. How is it going to work for him? Is he going to be able to pick which number (AWA or US) that will give his best seniority or will he be stuck with his AWA number since that is where he currently works?

He will be slotted and would be to his advantage to keep AWA for longevity puposes.

 

[Itsallsogood]

The 19 USAirways pilots currently on both lists will have their choice of which position they want. Parker has agreed to longevity pay so one could benefit from claiming a U number even if it puts them lower on the overall list(because he is 55).
Becareful please stop the whining. You are wrong. Dave brings more to the merger than any furloughee. Get over it.

 

[Bubba Dog]

The 19 USAirways pilots currently on both lists will have their choice of which position they want. Parker has agreed to longevity pay so one could benefit from claiming a U number even if it puts them lower on the overall list(because he is 55).
Becareful please stop the whining. You are wrong. Dave brings more to the merger than any furloughee. Get over it.

If the furloughees had not been furloughed in the first place there would be no USAirways today. You had better stop while you are ahead because there is a very high probability there will be slotting involving furloughees. If you keep on like this it will just mean more crow you will have to digest.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Bubba you are correct. Nicleau <sp>, may slot the furloghees in. Who knows? However, according to the merger comittees.....both sides agree, very unlikely. It is the slotting of the active and active out for personal reasons that is sending this to arbitration. NOT the furloghees, MDA and J4J'ers.

 

[Itsallsogood]

OK 3 hours later.... and I have finally stopped laughing. "If it were not for the U furloghees USAir would not be in business." Un-friggin-believable.

 

[Bubba Dog]

OK 3 hours later.... and I have finally stopped laughing. "If it were not for the U furloghees USAir would not be in business." Un-friggin-believable.

All I'm saying, if USAir had cancelled all the furloughs and keep the excess on the property and keep on paying them it would have drove USAir out of business and no merger today.

I still do not understand why you can not see the winfall the AW pilots will receive with the U retirements. You probably do understand but not ready to admit it yet.I guess the arbitrator will have to settle that. I think our discussion has reached the point of diminishing returns. Enjoy the rest of your day outside but try to not to laugh to loud to yourself or your neighbors might start wondering.

 

[TWA Dude]

I still do not understand why you can not see the winfall the AW pilots will receive with the U retirements.

Nicolau took future retirements into account for the USAir Shuttle integration. It's but one of many issues that he'll have to consider.

 

[GOTAFLY]

Budda dog , Since when has there been a merger were furloughed pilot were ever concidered, except for the bottom of the combined list? Not to stir the pot but I can't remember one.

 

[OnTheDole]

Well I see we've gotten the windfall seekers all spooled up again.quote]

My windfall went poof when DP agreed to this whole mess rather than let US die on the vine.

 

[ALGFLYR]

Budda dog , Since when has there been a merger were furloughed pilot were ever concidered, except for the bottom of the combined list? Not to stir the pot but I can't remember one.

I believe American has a history involving a merger with pilots on furlough. Not sure when or with who though.

The closest merger to this situation was Pan Am - National. There the furloughees got credit for longevity (for the most part). Arbitrator Gill, who is now the vice chairman of the NMB used some creativity is sewing those lists together. If DOH were actually the policy, then the plain and unambiguous meaning of DOH would prevail. But that's not the policy so nobody really knows. I suspect the combined list will look a lot like the Pan Am - National list with a combination of DOH, slotting and longevity and fences. (This is a post from another forum about this subject)

Also In 1985 Mississippi Valley Airlines and Air Wisconsin merged and the furloughed pilots from Air Wisconsin were integrated as if they had never left the property.

 

[Bubba Dog]

Budda dog , Since when has there been a merger were furloughed pilot were ever concidered, except for the bottom of the combined list? Not to stir the pot but I can't remember one.

Neither can I,but what do I know. I haven't really studied them that much. I am just a lowly hopeful furloughed U type. I do know that this new merger ALPA process is very recent and doesn't have much of a track record so there is room for a lot of unknowns and precedents that will be set. You must remeber it was always DOH in the olden days and you AW guys are very lucky to have the new policy or you all would be FO's.

 

[Itsallsogood]

Hey Bubba... actually I do see the attrition point you are making. And yes I agree it is a very valid point. My best friend and roomate is furloughed, from a hire date of 1999. He will not go back if recalled. The point is USAirways was done, finished. Anything now is a complete windfall for the active U pilots. You may understand but not want to admit it but AWA saved U when AWA bought U. Why should the AWA pilots suffer from the overall U windfall?

 

[Hpilot]

Well I see we've gotten the windfall seekers all spooled up again.quote]

My windfall went poof when DP agreed to this whole mess rather than let US die on the vine.

Amen Brother, I'd be holding a nice line by now if we hadn't tied off to the Titanic.

 

[GOTAFLY]

I agree. But we "ALPA" changed the merger policy. My Dad retired old PSA, had the merger with Us Air not had happened he would not have had the choice for the lump sum retirement in 96 with longevity. So my point is things change and all we can do is hope for the best and get involved. As for me I 'am on my 5th airline and one thing that well always be true is change.