Question for US Air and AWA Pilots

[Corporate Slug]

Any idea what the results were of the ALPA survey from last month about how many of us would return?

I know a lot of us have been back and forth over the last few years, I had planned on passing on the 190 stuff, but a fresh furlough from my freight outfit changed that.

I know of a fairly large number of peeps from around my seniority that will probably come back. Many who are not currently flying, or flying in dead end regional and charter jobs. My freight outfit just dumped about 25 or so of us back into the 190 mix, at least for now.

 

[PHXFLYR]

hey, how about you f@#$ off. O where was it you came from, MESA? And you have what, something like 2 years sen at AWA - OK there MR. Old Grizzled Expert - whatever.

You "commuter guys" that post on Flight Info have an infatuation with the "F-word",don't you?


PHXFLYR

 

[BenderGonzales]

I dont know a SINGLE pilot from my seniority bracket who is planning on returning to the E190.

Only a handful that i've spoken to are interested in returning to the A320/737 and then only if furloughed from their current jobs. (myself included)

 

[OPECJet]

Plain and simple..
Hiring off the street = injunction. Enough is enough. There are CEL pilots on the AAA seniority list. The precendent has been set, and as far as we're concerned the flow is there, just not something that the AAA Negotiating Committee choses to acknowledge. For that matter, the same committee will not come to the table to discuss flowbacks either. We have positions at PDT that need to be filled, and we'd love to fill them with flowbacks.

 

[80for80]

hey, how about you f@#$ off. O where was it you came from, MESA? And you have what, something like 2 years sen at AWA - OK there MR. Old Grizzled Expert - whatever.

But he'll ALWAYS be senior to YOU!!!!

 

[jimcav]

80for80 what does your name mean. I've heard the term before but refresh my memory.

 

[TWA Dude]

Uh oh...

 

[m80drvr]

Hey Lear, The question still stands. Why do you feel that you are on the USAir list even though you have never flown a mainline aircraft? Just wondering what precedent has been set, buy whom, supported by what case law or what arbitrators decision.

 

[SOVT]

>Hey Lear, The question still stands. Why do you feel that you are on the USAir list even though you have never flown a mainline aircraft? Just wondering what precedent has been set, buy whom, supported by what case law or what arbitrators decision<

Assuming his bio is correct, Lear flew for MidAtlantic. MidAtlantic's aircraft were on the USAirways operating certificate and therefore were mainline aircraft. As I’m sure you know the initial cadre of pilots that flew for MDA were from the furloughed ranks of USAirways (most of us with 15+ years seniority), when the furloughed list was exhausted we drew from the CEL. Those pilots who chose to take the risk and leave their regional positions to join us, by contractional agreement, became one of us. You may have a personal beef with Lear or the agreements that surrounded MDA but the fact of the matter is he, like all of the former CEL pilots that joined us, is now a furloughed USAirways pilot and is entitled to a place at the table with the rest of us.

 

[BenderGonzales]

nevermind.

 

[LearLove]

Hey Lear, The question still stands. Why do you feel that you are on the USAir list even though you have never flown a mainline aircraft? Just wondering what precedent has been set, buy whom, supported by what case law or what arbitrators decision.

First of all, piss off, you point fingers at me as if I'm running around here claiming to be some 18 year U vet or something. I never asked for this, all I did was bid MDA after I been downgraded at ALG back in 2004. Had I never been downgraded I would still be flying the Dash. I was one of the few that would have gone back to PDT last summer even as an FO but we won't get into that right now.

So (sometime last fall) the U mec decided to take the guys that came to MDA from the CEL and make us "mainline" by placing us at the bottom of the mainline list.

Funny thing (or not so funny when you think about it), in the end it was the mainline guys (the ones while I was at the WO were the ones I was told to hate) that extended a hand and helped us however, it was our own brothers, people we had worked side by side with for years, that screwed us in the end. HMMM - wonderful industry

 

[G2T]

I was one of the few that would have gone back to PDT last summer even as an FO but we won't get into that right now.

Then why did you?

however, it was our own brothers, people we had worked side by side with for years, that screwed us in the end. HMMM - wonderful industry

Every thread degenerates into the evil W.O. carriers with you. You CHOSE to go to MDA and now you are on the list, what's the problem? Time to move on and enjoy what turns out to be a huge opportunity for you.

 

[LearLove]

Then why did you?

what????

 

[G2T]

what????

Why did you bring up the spots at pdt and getting screwed by your brothers? You said you were not going to get into that right now and then shortly there after talked about getting screwed by your brothers. Sorry if that didn't make any sense, well actually i'm not, it all makes sense in my mind.

 

[LearLove]

because I was just ending my post with how I feel it was ironic that we were screwed by those that were the closest to us. end of discussion.

 

[m80drvr]

First of all, piss off, you point fingers at me as if I'm running around here claiming to be some 18 year U vet or something.

Never pointed fingers at you. I just wanted to know how it is you guys are on the mainline list since you never flew a mainline AC.

Step back from the computer and chill. The arbitrator will decide if you were mainline or not, not any promised that the U pilots made.

 

[BenderGonzales]

What is a "mainline" aircraft anyway? AirCanada flies the E170/190. Jetblue flies the E190.

The letters "R" and "J" do not denote a lesser aircraft, but rather a pilot group that makes the choice to fly that aircraft for significantly less than it should be flown for.

We've all had "RJs". DC9s, 737-200s, Bac 1-11s, BAe146, F28, F100... all "regional jets" -- unfortunately over the last ten years we've been conditioned to believe that aircraft of that size were lesser machines, suitable only to be flown by children for pennies on the dollar.

Shame on us.

Lear flew a mainline aircraft and should he ever be recalled, he will be a mainline pilot. All that is left to decide by the arbitrator will be where he falls on the combined list.

 

[Swaayze]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to grasp.

CEL pilots flew for USAirways, on the USAirways certificate, and are furloughed mainline pilots now. Just because someone may not like the fact (or perhaps they're jealous) doesn't mean it isn't so.

I'm sure they'll be at the very bottom of the combined list, just below the rest of the furloughees who will be below all the AWA folks. Seniority, longevity and the rapid attrition we expected at U East upon recall will probably get us nothing. AWA pilots will come out very well in this case IMO. I hope I'm wrong, though I'd just as soon not return anyway.

 

[m80drvr]

I'm not jealou,s not matter how that arbitarator decides Lear will be junior to me. I'm covered both ways.
I was just wondering how he came to his asertations about mainline or non mainlie pilots.

 

[m80drvr]

What is a "mainline" aircraft anyway? AirCanada flies the E170/190. Jetblue flies the E190.

We've all had "RJs". DC9s, 737-200s, Bac 1-11s, BAe146, F28, F100... all "regional jets" -- unfortunately over the last ten years we've been conditioned to believe that aircraft of that size were lesser machines, suitable only to be flown by children for pennies on the dollar.

Blame alpa for that fiasco. DON"T blame guys that are trying to protect their jobs, their seniority, and their livelyhoods.

Until pilots STOP taking jobs with "Fly for food" wages in order to get a job with the majors, their will always be a regional vs major arguement. Again thank ALPA