Question for Hawker Drivers

[400A]

My owner bought a new Hawker 750 today. For you Hawker drivers out there I am curious to see in the real world how long you can stay aloft on just wing fuel. The 750 has no ventral tank. What speed and fuel flows to really stretch its legs? Same as 800XP, just no ventral.

Also, Does anyone have the pre-attendance study file in e-mail version?

Thanks,

400A

 

[BeeFCaKe]

The ventral tank holds less than 1500 lbs of fuel... On just wings, I would say 4hrs plus; in 800XPs you can get an extra hour.

-CaKe

 

[Choppy]

What happened to the "Wonderful Premier"?

 

[400A]

What happened to the "Wonderful Premier"?

And that answered my question how?

 

[Gulfstream 200]

Id say at 430KTS you can go 4.5hrs and land with around 1500lbs

slow it to 400KTS (LRC) you can look at 5+15 and land with 1500lbs

good luck with it!

 

[Choppy]

No I am really curious... What happened?

 

[400A]

No I am really curious... What happened?

We wanted a Hawker in the 1st place, but the Backlog was a couple years on all models. We wanted a aircraft back under warranty so we bought the Premier and ordered a Premier 2 as a stop gap measure. Last Thursday a start up Fractional Company was not able to close on 2 750's. One sold in 4 hours, We put a LOI on the other one on Tuesday, went and saw it today and closed the deal. HBC needed a demo Premier so they gave us an awesome trade deal.

Premier has been great fun and I still recommend the aircraft. Premier 2 will be a rocket. No APU though.... The Hawker was AWESOME! Off to school again!

 

[PARAMOUNT]

BED to Calgary in a Hawker 1000 w/ just the wings filled.

 

[HawkerF/O]

Pratt's on your 1K to the 731's on the 750. Different airplane altogether.

The 800XP holds 10K Lbs of fuel. Subtract 1500 lbs (it deosnt hold quite that much in the vertral) and that leaves you with 8500 lbs.

2000-2200 lbs the 1st hour (depends on how you climb it)
1800
1700
1600
1600

you get the idea.

I always climbed it at 280/.68. At the TOC, the ROC was no Hall of Fame record setter, but when I got to the TOC, I was on speed, and on course. Climb it with a slow forward speed (profile), it'll take forever for it to speed up, and ATC will turn you frequently for traffic that's about to run you over.

LRC is .70. Don't get any slower than that or your efficiency goes out the door.

BED to Calgary in a Hawker 1000 w/ just the wings filled.

 

[400A]

Pratt's on your 1K to the 731's on the 750. Different airplane altogether.

The 800XP holds 10K Lbs of fuel. Subtract 1500 lbs (it deosnt hold quite that much in the vertral) and that leaves you with 8500 lbs.

2000-2200 lbs the 1st hour (depends on how you climb it)
1800
1700
1600
1600

you get the idea.

I always climbed it at 280/.68. At the TOC, the ROC was no Hall of Fame record setter, but when I got to the TOC, I was on speed, and on course. Climb it with a slow forward speed (profile), it'll take forever for it to speed up, and ATC will turn you frequently for traffic that's about to run you over.

LRC is .70. Don't get any slower than that or your efficiency goes out the door.

Good info, glad to hear that about the climb. The Beechjet and Premier are the same way.

 

[flyguybdb]

After take off if you hold 1500lb flow a side at 250knots to 10k and keep bumping it up on the same profile as above until the greenlights come on usually about 15-17k you will burn around 1950-*2000 your first hour. Just remember 250 is 250 no matter what your flow is set for and it doesnt effect your climb that much if your not trying to clear anything. Just a technique we use on the 800xp if we need to save fuel.

 

[simbo]

I flew with a fella that swore by 250 to .62 in an 800. It was brutal,he liked filing high (370 and above) even fairly heavy. It was amusing to see how long it took to accelerate to .75. It would just get stuck in the mid-upper .60's. Very frustating. But yet he wouldnt change. Oh well previous company.

 

[HawkerF/O]

I feel your pain. For some reason, H25B drivers are famous for climbing that thing with a slow forward speed, giving themselves the shaft once they get up top.

In my Hawker days, flew with guys that would rationalize that technique saying that the quicker they got up high, the more fuel they would save. True, if you were able to accelerate right away, but in the Hawker 800A, that is simply not going to happen, as you are going to be a plow at max power praying for the nose to come down.

I think the Hawker is a great airplane, with some old school systems and technology that still has lots of use to this day. Not all that fast, but nothing that'll really kill you or get you hurt either(Flaps 0 at T/O, no problem; Have one roll back after V1? Cool, if you want, you can keep your feet flat on the floor and you'll be just fine). Just a well built, solid airplane riddled with redundancy.

I'm doing the G450 thing now, so I've gone from 1 extreme to the other, but that Hawker is a mack truck I'd put my family on any day of the week.

I flew with a fella that swore by 250 to .62 in an 800. It was brutal,he liked filing high (370 and above) even fairly heavy. It was amusing to see how long it took to accelerate to .75. It would just get stuck in the mid-upper .60's. Very frustating. But yet he wouldnt change. Oh well previous company.

 

[say again]

The Hawker is a great plane. 4-4.5 hr range in the 800A with wings only (5.5 with ventral). I try and climb at the fastest airspeed possible. I've noticed that if you speed up then climb (.68-.70) you get the same rate as if you were slower (.62 and below). Getting behind the power curve happens to some.