question about Continental growth

[spacecadet1]

Is Continental hiring about 60/month? How much of the hiring is due to growth and how much due to retirements? What does the retirement timeline look like?

 

[Patriot328]

Is Continental hiring about 60/month? How much of the hiring is due to growth and how much due to retirements? What does the retirement timeline look like?

Don't have the references in front of me, but...


5-7% growth a year for the next couple of years and on top of that 1/2 the pilot list is set to retire in a little less than 10 years from now, I believe.


Subject to change, of course.. :beer:

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Projected Pilot retirements. I believe these numbers do not account for the five hundred pilots we have hired this year. As of the Jan 17, 2006 class we will have 4612 pilots on our list.

2006 - 242
2007- 309
2008 - 237
2009 - 213
2010 - 209
2011 - 217
2012 - 217
2013 - 191
2014 - 200
2015 - 171
2016 - 189
2017 - 179
2018 - 179
2019 - 151
2020 - 143
2021 - 150
2022 - 149
2023 - 178
2024 - 123
2025 - 134
2026 - 103
2027 - 82
2028 - 88
2029 - 85
2030 - 59
2031 - 28
2032 - 19
2033 - 8






Of course if you listen to some on this board you would be better off flipping burgers than take a job with a bottom of the barrel international legacy carrier like Continental!

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Additionally we are junior manning in December and that doesn't bode well for how our airline is staffed. Even with all the hiring we are still well understaffed. I spoke with a good source within CALALPA yesterday. Company plans at least 64 a month through May. Then 32 a month for a hand full of months then up to 48 a month for the foreseeable future.

 

[EMB_driver2002]

Any truth to recs from FO's getting less weight than CA recs? And does anyone have a snapshot of the average new hires' qualifications (TT, PIC, degree, etc)

Thanks

 

[CAL EWR B737]

I don't believe that there is any difference between a CA or FO recommendation. I think it depends more on who is doing the recommending. If the employee who is recommending has a general good reputation and is not one who finds his/her way into trouble then they will take a good look at the one being referred.

 

[pkober]

I reconmended someone 1 week after I was hired and he has a class date in January.

CLAMBAKE

 

[geshields]

I recommended someone 3 weeks after I was here and he is now done with IOE...

CA or FO does not matter. Overall reputation does...

 

[AA717driver]

You have to do like Clambake and recommend someone BEFORE the company gets to know you. TC

 

[pkober]

That hurts.

You need to drop the "AA" and add "TWA".

I don't think Michael Savage would stoop so low as to be Sec of State.

Happy New Year.

CLAMBAKE

 

[EMB_driver2002]

Any scoop on the average new hire's backround? I know a couple of people picked up at CAL recently and their qualifications are all over the map, so just trying to get a better idea how I stack up. I get the feeling its the industry standard "who you know" Any hope for a guy with a 2 year degree?

Thanks for the info

 

[Dave Benjamin]

I know CAL has hired some relatively low time turboprop FO's with LOR's. Not sure if those LOR's were from captains or FO's. I think it's a decent airline but none of the bases appeal to me and I hate commuting. the other thing I'd be worried about is mergers which I think are inevitable.

 

[catIIIc]

A few low time pilots will get hired at any company as long as they meet the minumums and know the right people. This does not mean they do not deserve the job. If you meet the minimums apply and network, as I understand it it does not matter if the letter is from a CA or an FO. All of my recomendations came from FO's and I was the only civilian that was interviewing on my day. Who you know gets you in the door what you know keeps you there. I can't wait to start and I am not to worried about CAL or any of the merger talk. If you look and UAL and CAL they are both in need of pilots and CAL especially. What they told me at my interview was that they are very conservative when it comes to manning, so if they hiring as much as they are they are very short staffed. I am not saying there are not risks, but I think CAL is a good risk. Good luck to everyone.

 

[pkober]

I think it's a decent airline but none of the bases appeal to me and I hate commuting.

Are you holding out for a "management job" like Uncle Eddie?

Good luck

CLAMBAKE

 

[FR8mastr]

What kind of info do they want you to bring for the interview? Anything other than a Resume and log books?

 

[munson]

What kind of info do they want you to bring for the interview? Anything other than a Resume and log books?

as per the email they will send you prior to interview:

With the above documents, please enclose a copy of the following:

1. Your Pilot licenses (front and back,)
2. Your current First Class Medical form 8500-9 (short form),
3. Your current First Class Medical form 8500-8 (long form),
4. Your Radio Telephone Operator Permit,
5. Your Social Security card,
6. Your current Driver’s License,
7. Your current valid Passport that allows you to fly unrestricted internationally,
8. College transcripts,
9. DD214 if separated from the military (if you have already received it).
10. Current ATP Written Exam results, if you do not hold an ATP rating. If your ATP written is expired, you must provide a letter of employment from a Part 121 or 135 air carrier which shows employment prior to the expiration of the ATP written exam.

 

[Dave Benjamin]

Are you holding out for a "management job" like Uncle Eddie?

Good luck

CLAMBAKE

I'd say a managment job is unlikely for me. I'm pretty happy doing what I do.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

What they told me at my interview was that they are very conservative when it comes to manning, so if they hiring as much as they are they are very short staffed. I am not saying there are not risks, but I think CAL is a good risk. Good luck to everyone.

I would say that is a very true statement. In my almost nineteen years I can think of only a handful of times we were over staffed. They usually run this place with minimum staffing. I have never seen us so short at this time of the year, it really shows how short we are. We historically staff this place for the slow times (fall, winter) and we get by in the busy times (spring, summer) with extremely poor staffing. I spent three summers on reserve after 9/11 and boy did I work my tail off.

catIIIc Welcome to CAL!

 

[densoo]

What they told me at my interview was that they are very conservative when it comes to manning, so if they hiring as much as they are they are very short staffed.

They were honest about this. They offered time-and-a-half pay for pilots to pick up extra trips on Christmas and New Year's and "allowed" them to fly during their vacation.

Understand the flip side of this, though. The reason they are able to man the airline so close to the margin is that there are always plenty of pilots willing to help them out in the pinch by: answering a call from scheduling on their days off (as if they don't work enough days as it is), flying during their vacation (all add pay), responding to time-and-a-half offers, even lineholders placing themselves on reserve so they can get that extra nickel. That is the culture you're joining.

 

[CAL EWR B737]

Well lets just hope age 60 remains for at least five more years. Two thirds of our pilot group will have been hired in a ten year period. Our demographics as a pilot group will be completely different as compared to when we voted on this POS contract. It's my hope we will have a truly unified strong pilot group, who will become active participants within CAL ALPA!

 

[RichardFitzwell]

Understand the flip side of this, though. The reason they are able to man the airline so close to the margin is that there are always plenty of pilots willing to help them out in the pinch by: answering a call from scheduling on their days off (as if they don't work enough days as it is), flying during their vacation (all add pay), responding to time-and-a-half offers, even lineholders placing themselves on reserve so they can get that extra nickel. That is the culture you're joining.

Every airline has its share of whores. CAL is no different.

 

[FLY CONTINENTAL]

It is a great place to work. You will have a great time here. The 737 flying out of EWR is fantastic and as the previous posts have said we are offering 150% pay today and tomorrow. Nothing wrong with that--- if you want to fly for the extra money go for it. Welcome to Continental!

 

[Super Monkey]

Do the online recommendations from CAL pilots expedite the process or even wave a flag? Or, do your internal LOR have to pass by the chief pilot's desk?

How do the interviewers pick the apps for interviews? Does a computer monitor the applicants total and quality of time or do they have actual humans that scan the apps?

Thanx in advance!

 

[ACWild]

The manager that I spoke with told me that the online recommendation is one step in the process, but you need to bring it to a manager to get the call. Good luck with it.

 

[Super Monkey]

Thanx for the info ACwild!

Happy New Year everyone!!!!

 

[puddlejumper101]

The manager that I spoke with told me that the online recommendation is one step in the process, but you need to bring it to a manager to get the call. Good luck with it.

I was under the impression that CAL recruitment did not want line guys bringing other peoples' resumes into them. As far as I know, the online rec is enough if its from a CAL employee...

 

[kaisersose]

I was under the impression that CAL recruitment did not want line guys bringing other peoples' resumes into them. As far as I know, the online rec is enough if its from a CAL employee...

You don't bring a resume to the manager. Your contact endorses you to his asst cp while he reviews your online app. The asst cp then has the power to move you up the list.

 

[miles otoole]

Every airline has its share of whores. CAL is no different.

Like the whores who take a major airline job with a first year pay of $30,000. Unbelieveable. What's 2nd year pay, BTW? Better hope you have a no furlough clause.

 

[FLY CONTINENTAL]

All the airline pay scales and Continental's www.airlinepilotpay.com .

 

[Boeingman]

Like the whores who take a major airline job with a first year pay of $30,000. Unbelieveable. What's 2nd year pay, BTW? Better hope you have a no furlough clause.

So tell us sparky which legacy carrrier (that is hiring) pays more than the $30k a year for the first year?