QOL @ NetJets

[av8tor4239]

Dont think the upgrade at Delta or any other major is anything less than 10+ years

 

[atpcliff]

Hi!

NWA and DAL were both down to about 4-5 years, but then age 65 happened, which will for sure increase the upgrade times.

I don't see anyone at a major upgrading in less time than a NJA pilot now.

cliff
YYZ

 

[jet600]

I dont care how long it takes to upgrade at Netjets. I'm planning on it being my last place (hopefully). I just gave my notice to Jetblue ......felt kinda nice. I start 7 Jan 08 Indoc....anyone else starting on that day?

 

[On Your Six]

I dont care how long it takes to upgrade at Netjets. I'm planning on it being my last place (hopefully). I just gave my notice to Jetblue ......felt kinda nice. I start 7 Jan 08 Indoc....anyone else starting on that day?

You're not the only one who has jumped from JB to Netjets recently. I know of a few others.

With regard to upgrades, 5 years is a long time but 10-12 years at SWA is even longer... Sure, SWA FOs make a lot of money relatively speaking, but things aren't always greener on the other side of the fence. Focusing on the full package of QOL, compensation/benefits and overall stability is the right thing to do.

 

[tk855]

With regard to upgrades, 5 years is a long time but 10-12 years at SWA is even longer... Sure, SWA FOs make a lot of money relatively speaking, but things aren't always greener on the other side of the fence. Focusing on the full package of QOL, compensation/benefits and overall stability is the right thing to do.

The above is a very wise statement! If you want to fully enjoy your employment at NJA you must approach it with this line of thinking. As a NJA pilot, I can always find somewhere paying their pilots more, better type of schedule, on and on and on. Bottom line, at the end of the day I am as happy at NJA as a pig in mud! I am not so sure I would be able to make that statement if I worked for DAL, NWA, UAL, AAL, insert your airline here. I have full faith that the 1108 will continue full-speed ahead making our lives as NJA pilots better.

 

[realityman]

Yeah, it's kinda weird. They're jumping ship at JetBlue like rats off a sinking vessel. I just finished my last tour with IOE for a guy who came over from JB. What's the deal? Is JB pulling a Titanic?
I've only ridden on them once, but it was a good experience and I thought, comparativily in the airline world, it was a pretty good product.

You know, looking back at 11 years with NJA, it's amazing how far we've come and how attitudes towards us have actually remained constant throughout.
At first, everyone hated us. They hated us because we were expanding, and supposedly corporate flight departments were shutting down because the boss felt it was financially better to be with us than keep a corporate aircraft. And they hated us because we were paid so little, that we were dragging the bar down and lowering compensation packages across the entire industry. In essence, the whores of the private jet world. They hated our union and held it up as an example of why unions are so bad, because we're weak! And they hated us because we were just a rock in the stream, a stepping stone to build time to go fly for UAL, DAL, and yes, JetBlue.

And now? They still hate us. The hate us because our greedy union will ultimately bankrupt the company. Before, we were making too little money. Now, we're making too much. They hate the fact that our union is now strong. That somehow having a union now MEANS something. They hate us for our success. Hey! It's aviation. We're supposed make and lose money along with the cycles of the rest of the industry! What's with this positive growth and success under all circumstances? They hate us now because people are actually LEAVING the majors to come fly for us.

Who is "they"? You'll know them when you hear them. They're the ones on this message board and others who never have a positive thing to say about NJA or our union, whether we were making poor livings, or making a good one. Whether the company makes money or loses. Whether we close flight departments, or ultimately open them as some owners learn that private jets are nice and leave us to buy and fly their own jet.

So I say, come on over! Send us your poor, your haggard, your downtrodden! Let the haters fly for JetBlue! We have more than enough snacks and Fiji water for the wretched masses of thirsty pilots who haven't felt the love! Soon, we will all rise up as one, and B19 and the rest of the haters will find themselves on 'ignore' lists around the world!

Oh, sorry. Sugar rush from all the holiday cookies.:0

 

[jet600]

realityman......you should run for office....you got my vote!!

 

[Caveman]

Excellent thread with some good info. I think NetJets would be a great place to work. There are certain aspects of NJ that are very appealing, specifically not having to commute. Every job has it's +/- and IMO you could do a lot worse than NJ. Right now I fly for JetBlue and I like it. I like our scheduling flexibilty and I like the way I'm dealt with. Professionally, courteously and reasonably. That said, if something were to happen and I lost my current job my first choice for employment would be NetJets.

I don't mind 121 flying at all. I'm sure fractional is a bit different, but most of the comments I read from former 121 types usually talk about how they are treated and the QOL vice the actual flying part. Flying is flying. It's what happens in between that affects your QOL. A good company is a good company whether they are 121 or frax. Sounds like NetJets is a good company.

 

[FLYLOW22]

Dont think the upgrade at Delta or any other major is anything less than 10+ years

How long till the furloguh then?

 

[FLYLOW22]

They hate us now because people are actually LEAVING the majors to come fly for us.

It's not just pilots who are leaving. I just spent 2 hours talking with an Owner that was all too happy to join our Marqui Jet program after dealing with 45 minute drives to LAX to fly on SWA to SFO. One too many delays, excuses and TSA experiences.

Yes, occasionally we experience delays here too. The difference is that I am totally accessable and I will offer ANY information that I have to the Owner to make the experience more understandable. Face-to-face communication, 18 inches away complete with eye contact is comparison to an over worked, under paid agent behind a large podium/counter staring at a computer screen.