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Please tell me that 1108 is NOT trying to be the ALPA of the fracs...please tell me they are not trying to do that!!!

I am pretty excited about putting ALPA in the rearview mirror.
 
JJ, 1108 is NOT trying to become another ALPA.

KODI3, All private jets have a head. Admittedly, some are more geared for, shall we say, 'emergency use' rather than something you'd care to use regularly.

All the planes at NJA/NJI have at least a refreshment center. Various snacks and beverages. Pretty much only the larger cabin planes, ie. the Gulfstreams, Falcons, and BBJ's have a true galley.

Average leg lengths depend on the plane. I'll bet the smallest in our fleet have average leg lengths of something like 1.5 hours. In the X, I'd say we average a little over 3 hours per leg. The big planes can rival the airliners in leg lengths.

Hope this helps.
 
realityman,

Thanks for the info. Do the 7 on 7 off start on a particular day or do they shift the schedule to have some folks start on M, some on T , some on W, ETC... for more flexibility w/scheduling? Any input on the International side of NJ? Looks like they seek folks w/more time IE 5K hrs min. Was wondering what QOL is for that side of the house.
 
KODI3,

Each fleet has its own start days. For example, in the X we currently have Wednesday, Saturday, and Sunday starts. And alternating starts with the same days ie. If I start this Wednesday, there is also a line that has pilots starting their off time this wednesday and going back to work next Wednesday, which would then be the first day off for me. Clear as mud?

Having said that, under our new contract just passed, there will be a flush bid once a year where it's entirely possible and allowable for scheduling to create a whole new set of start days for each fleet. If the Wednesday starts aren't working out for the company, we may see that day go away at the next flush bid and maybe be replaced with a Tuesday start, or Thursday, or whatever day they think will be more efficient for them. And yes, we will all have to bid for what we want, and it'll be awarded based on seniority.

I'll let someone more in the know answer your question about the NJI side. But a search will probably yield answers to many of your questions about them. I will say this, as it stands, it's looking a lot like there won't be an NJI side in the near future. We are set up to integrate, and while anything can still happen, odds are on us becoming one operation.

Also, with our new contract, off-the-street hiring for NJI is pretty much over. All new F/O slots will be coming from NJA pilots, so pretty much the only way to get to fly the Gulfstreams now is to be hired with us at NJA.
Sorry to break the news to you.

Good luck if you're thinking of coming over!
 
So the advantage of planning things years in advance are out the window?
 
Well, no. If you're selectively looking at only schedule bidding, then it becomes a bit more problematic. But not much. Suppose the company doesn't like the Wednesday start? Okay, so now they offer a Tuesday start or a Thursday start. Either way, it only shifts one day or so. Even if it shifted by three days, that's not a huge big deal. And if you can hold the line you're on now, you'll probably be able to hold whatever the new line is, especially if it's only a small shift.

And there's still vacation. That has always been bid on a year-to-year basis, so it really doesn't change.

Anyway, it's only a prediction on my part, but I see scheduling doing some fine-tuning to the schedules in the future, but no major changes.
 
Start day question

I was wondering how this works on the 7/7. The start days are Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday for the Excel?

And I am guessing you bid on what start day you want and it is awarded by seniority?

Overall, what start days go junior? Is it the weekday starts or the weekend starts?

It sure would be rough to have a Friday start and never have a weekend off.

Thanks!
 
Wankel7 said:
I was wondering how this works on the 7/7. The start days are Tuesday, Thursday, and Sunday for the Excel?
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Probably only that schedule through May 08. Saturday starts will go away at that time.

Wankel7 said:
And I am guessing you bid on what start day you want and it is awarded by seniority?
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Yes

Wankel7 said:
Overall, what start days go junior? Is it the weekday starts or the weekend starts?
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Everything will change with the first Open bid period. Friday and Saturday starts will probably go away. Friday is a big travel day and not a good day to swap crews out.

Wankel7 said:
It sure would be rough to have a Friday start and never have a weekend off.

Thanks!
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Only two fleets have Friday starts - like I said probably going away.
 
Wankel7 said:
It sure would be rough to have a Friday start and never have a weekend off.
Thanks!
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What am I missing here. If you have a friday start, you return home the following thursday. The next day, Friday, is the start your 7 day weekend (friday, sat, sun, mon, tues, wed, thurs). So, you still have everyother weekend off.
 
B19 Flyer said:
= If the economy stumbles like it did in '01, it won't take just NJ, it'll cause a "correction" like in 121. Then, everybody will be scrambling back into 121 again. One thing about unions, they will force change, right down to strangling the golden goose of the fractional industry.
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Wow...what an idiot.
 
B19 Flyer said:
The exact reason I will never again work for a unionized carrier.

www.unionfacts.com
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If you don't want to work at a unionized carrier... just make sure your company pays the pilots a lot more than the other carriers.... FedEx plus 5%. Oh and no flying on weekends or Holidays.... or at night.
 
gunfyter said:
If you don't want to work at a unionized carrier... just make sure your company pays the pilots a lot more than the other carriers.... FedEx plus 5%. Oh and no flying on weekends or Holidays.... or at night.
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I do make at least than 5% more than my counterparts at union carriers (including FedEx), and I don't work on weekends or holidays either. :D

That NEVER happened when I worked for a union carrier. I also never had taken a pay cut or had been laid off before either.
 
B19 Flyer said:
That NEVER happened when I worked for a union carrier. I also never had taken a pay cut or had been laid off before either.
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Good for you. At my last non-union carrier, pay and benefits were cut after half the workforce was laid off. This was all prior to 9/11, too, a result of nothing but mismanagement of the company and the embezzling of ESOP funds by top management. They nearly destroyed the company, with a 100% union-free employee group that had a payscale that was basically unchanged in over a decade. (Thus, after inflation, pay was going down every year.)


When are you going to figure out that it's management who determines the success or failure of a company's business, not a union?
 
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CA1900 said:
Good for you. At my last non-union carrier, pay and benefits were cut after half the workforce was laid off. This was all prior to 9/11, too, a result of nothing but mismanagement of the company and the embezzling of ESOP funds by top management. They nearly destroyed the company, with a 100% union-free employee group that had a payscale that was basically unchanged in over a decade. (Thus, after inflation, pay was going down every year.)


When are you going to figure out that it's managemeent who determines the success or failure of a company's business, not a union?
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How did they fair AFTER and during the downturn in the industry?

Did they go out of business, did they go into bankruptcy or did they go like NJ did without an updated contract and hold the status quo?

Does the company still exist?

If it does and is holding it's own now, then you can complain all you want but they were successful at doing what many union companies were not.

Staying open and avoiding bankruptcy.
 
B19 Flyer said:
How did they fair AFTER and during the downturn in the industry?

Did they go out of business, did they go into bankruptcy or did they go like NJ did without an updated contract and hold the status quo?

Does the company still exist?

If it does and is holding it's own now, then you can complain all you want but they were successful at doing what many union companies were not.

Staying open and avoiding bankruptcy.
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Yup they made it. Though they had to lay off a ton of guys. Move pilots from base to base every so many months when they opened and closed bases at will. Oh and one more little thing. They robbed the employee group blind with the ESOP program.
I am sure :uzi: Jim, John and Tony will rot in he!!. :)
 
B19 Flyer said:
I do make at least than 5% more than my counterparts at union carriers (including FedEx), and I don't work on weekends or holidays either. :D

That NEVER happened when I worked for a union carrier. I also never had taken a pay cut or had been laid off before either.
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So can I ( a pilot not a DataDink like you) come fly at your carrier and make FEDEX plus 5%?

Please PM me info so I can apply tomorrow.

If its so great to be a PILOT at a non-union carrier... why are you riding a desk instead of flying the line?

Please don't tell its because people who work at desks make more than your Pilots?
 
NJA Bound

Section 27 gives differences pay to >40 for FOs not Captains. Captains pay is from 15,501 to 100,00.

But your pay scale is still accurate based on 15 yr bonus payout there after.

SD
 
gunfyter said:
If its so great to be a PILOT at a non-union carrier... why are you riding a desk instead of flying the line?

Please don't tell its because people who work at desks make more than your Pilots?
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First class medicals don't agree with me anymore. And in my line of work, the desk is paid higher than my counterparts at union carriers.
 
Originally Posted by B19 Flyer
= If the economy stumbles like it did in '01, it won't take just NJ, it'll cause a "correction" like in 121. Then, everybody will be scrambling back into 121 again. One thing about unions, they will force change, right down to strangling the golden goose of the fractional industry.

This is why we know your not smart. You say dumb things. The fracs are NOT the airlines. They don't respond to the economy like the airlines. The avg joe that pays $69 for an airline ride isn't even in the same galaxy as the clients of the fracs. The rich just don't care. When the economy goes to sh$t, these people don't feel that. The avg joe will drive in a heart beat from point A to B when the price jumps.

Not sure why I waisted my time on this. We know you've made dumb comments like this before. We know that people have tried to respond to you before- explaining why fracs will survive (THERE WILL ALWAYS BE RICH PEOPLE!) but you just don't seem to get it.

We know your a scab. We know that you got "hurt" by the unions at some point. Dude - call your mommy, get over it

STOP F$CKING CRYING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
 
bchjetdrvr said:
Originally Posted by B19 Flyer
= If the economy stumbles like it did in '01, it won't take just NJ, it'll cause a "correction" like in 121. Then, everybody will be scrambling back into 121 again. One thing about unions, they will force change, right down to strangling the golden goose of the fractional industry.

This is why we know your not smart. You say dumb things. The fracs are NOT the airlines. They don't respond to the economy like the airlines. The avg joe that pays $69 for an airline ride isn't even in the same galaxy as the clients of the fracs. The rich just don't care. When the economy goes to sh$t, these people don't feel that. The avg joe will drive in a heart beat from point A to B when the price jumps.

Not sure why I waisted my time on this. We know you've made dumb comments like this before. We know that people have tried to respond to you before- explaining why fracs will survive (THERE WILL ALWAYS BE RICH PEOPLE!) but you just don't seem to get it.

We know your a scab. We know that you got "hurt" by the unions at some point. Dude - call your mommy, get over it

STOP F$CKING CRYING
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unkIVvjZc9Y
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MLB, NHL, screenwriters, automakers... none of which are airlines either. All have more money than NJ.

Got nothing to do with airlines, if the ecomony stumbles, everything is affected. No union, no mess.

Get over it. I ain't crying, I work for a non-union airline. I don't have anything to cry about.
 

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