Put this in the WTF file

[BlackPilot628]

Again you seem so content about flying routes that were previously flown by XJT because we were just a subsiderary. I can understand the guys that come on here and say, hey, we're not excited to take your flying. But the start of this thread is complaining about the fact that it's a CRP base and trying to gain sympathy because it's a tougher commute then IAH. Thanks for your concern about our airplanes, your a$$nine CEO showed plenty of that when XJT dropped the ball and said we were keeping them. What it all comes down to is I really dislike your management team that's second inline as the plague of the industry next to Ornstein, and also those pilots like yourself that follow the race to the bottom mentality.

You should start by disliking "YOUR" management team. Flying was lost in this deal and it does suck. Welcome to world for re-bid's. If XJT is (was) to win the Midwest Airlines flying, would that be ok? Would you tell your Management; " Hey, we screwed the Skyway boys". Hell no! You would shut your mouth and fly those airplanes. You may not have a good feeling about doing such a thing, but you would.

Personally, I stay out of this re-bid stuff. Because someone is going to loose out. It may be a good company or it may be a sh1t company. We have had 2 base closers and have lost some flying to Freedumb (Mesa) and our pilot group was pissed; But we got over it and continued doing what we do best and that is fly airplanes. We didn't start denying Jumpseats.

Only thing I can say is that XJT has a good group of people for the most part. I know a ton of guys that left Corpex to go work for XJT. But you guys need to stop drinking that Koolade.Management will sale you up the river. CHQ's will, AWI's will, and most of the major's CEO's already have.
No ego here. Reality!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

You should start by disliking "YOUR" management team. Flying was lost in this deal and it does suck. Welcome to world for re-bid's. If XJT is (was) to win the Midwest Airlines flying, would that be ok? Would you tell your Management; " Hey, we screwed the Skyway boys". Hell no! You would shut your mouth and fly those airplanes. You may not have a good feeling about doing such a thing, but you would.
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Okay, but some people like Popeye seem to be quite content so that is where I'm directing my disgust with. And no, I'd rather not taking anyone elses flying. But there is a greater solace that if we do it's not because we've continued the race to the bottom by underbidding another carrier for that flying because of the pilot contract in place. I certainly would be humbled, again not complaining about CRP as a base or spouting off about jumpseat complaints without solid information as to the status or in-the-know of the CA of that flight in regards to our CASS system waiver.

 

[The Drizzle]

Yea, about that CRJ program, I've heard from more then a few pilots that know pilots in the know at Chataqua that there all kinds of issues with the desert CRJs. One's been down for mx in IAH for a few days with tire, strut, etc. issues. Some of your coworkers have questioned the integrity of the operations through statements to my coworkers I've flown with. But you seem to be some lame I assume male HS cheerleader type convinced everything is just fine rah, rah, republic, yea.

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here. While one of the current CRJs has had some problems coming out of the frosty north(not the desert), the one down in IAH for MX is actually a MX simulation to get our MX peeps up to speed. While I understand how you guys want us to fail so terribly, what you are seeing is the successful implementation of a new aircraft program. Proving runs, MX simulations. Not just for pilots, but dispatchers, MX control and our wrench turners. Sorry to burst your bubble, things are moving forward and as of the middle of this last week, EVERYTHING about the CRJ program is on track. Look to see them doign a few USX flights in the coming week or two, no rush.

also, you made the point that i posted this thread to garner sympathy. not really, i wanted to show this company's idiocy. as a real malcontent in my company, you will get no cheerleading from me. what i won't do is stand to the side as you bash us for things that really are beyond our control. they won't be under our control until it comes time this year for our contract to go up. as for what will come from that, i have mixed expectations.

 

[The Drizzle]

c) in the process, they almost took 69 of our aircraft to do the flying

almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear war

d) the Continental product is about the suffer

that is a pretty big assumption. i'm not going to tell you that we are golden children, but you should stow your hubris

e) most, vastly important though is the fact that some people like Popeye have no sympathy over the deal or our humbled to their fortunes

yeah, we have a lot of that here

f) this is a continuation of the race to the bottom

congrats, you have now won catch phrase battle 2006

Personally, on the occasion I've ran into a CAL pilot who didn't like Express, I've told them that I'd much rather have them do the flying, that I'm proud we've achieved a contract that's not in the nature of sacraficing pay and benefits for growth, and that we had 400 of their pilots back on our property for a couple years as evidence of our solidarity.

who's the cheerleader now? RAH RAH RAH XJET!!!!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear war


that is a pretty big assumption. i'm not going to tell you that we are golden children, but you should stow your hubris



yeah, we have a lot of that here



congrats, you have now won catch phrase battle 2006



who's the cheerleader now? RAH RAH RAH XJET!!!!

I give you credit for being far more diplomatic and understanding then Popeye. Time for myself to be far more productive so I'm done with this thread. We'll have to probably just agree to disagree on the status of your test flights because just this week one of your pilots flying the test flight out of IAH was complaining about the many problems including blown out tires the CRJ was having. Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues. Race to the bottom isn't just a catch phrase, there are some real consequences behind it for the entire profession.

 

[The Drizzle]

I Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues.

we both know the crj is garbage and we'd be better off without it.

 

[StarChecker]

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here.

Careful....you might get banned for that.

 

[BoilerUP]

W&B is less of an issue in my experience on the CRJ than on the brazilian pencil jet. I've been bumped off more EMB jumpseats the past year because of MTOW issues than W&B issues on the CRJ. I think all the EMBs were LRs though; can't speak for the super-duper XR.

AWAC put 100lbs in tail of the airplane this summer amoung other things and that has nearly eliminated the need for ballast in our airplanes...unless there are 50 pax, a jumpseater, and only 15-20 checked bags. I'm sure many other CRJ operators have taken similar measures to prevent carrying a crapload of ballast and/or booting pax on a regular basis.

Do RAH CRJ pilots use a whiz-wheel for W&B?

 

[Popeye0537]

I give you credit for being far more diplomatic and understanding then Popeye. Time for myself to be far more productive so I'm done with this thread. We'll have to probably just agree to disagree on the status of your test flights because just this week one of your pilots flying the test flight out of IAH was complaining about the many problems including blown out tires the CRJ was having. Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues. Race to the bottom isn't just a catch phrase, there are some real consequences behind it for the entire profession.

Not understanding am I......hmmmm

I was the one bumped by Express, then got what I thought was hassled on the next flight that got me to work. You seem more content to take mainline type routes as long as express does the flying. The race to the bottom started with RJ's, even before XJT was a company.

From a personal stand point I agree with Drizzle, who the Fcuk wants to commute to CRP. I would have rather kept all of the Delta flying and be sitting on a beach in Ft. Lauderdale right now than wondering how many times I can use our commuter clause because I cant get to work!

 

[The Drizzle]

Careful....you might get banned for that.

meh, more time for bubble baths then

 

[bustinmins]

This sounds like the very coveted BNA base that Mesa still has. It too could be added to the WTF file.

Glad to be flying purple tailed monsters....and not dealing with these base closures etc....

You guys enjoy that!!....best of luck.

 

[rjacobs]

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here. While one of the current CRJs has had some problems coming out of the frosty north(not the desert), the one down in IAH for MX is actually a MX simulation to get our MX peeps up to speed.

MX simulations? How do you tell a couple of pilots to go out and purposely blow tires so MX can get some practice changing them. Why not just have them go out and change tires instead of blowing tires. Not trying to bash on CHQ, but the plane actually broke in IAH and you write it off to MX simulations. Yes, we have planes that break at XJT, its life, we get it fixed and dont try to tell people, oh well its just a MX training event for us to randomly break airplanes and see if they can fix it.

 

[The Drizzle]

MX simulations? How do you tell a couple of pilots to go out and purposely blow tires so MX can get some practice changing them. Why not just have them go out and change tires instead of blowing tires. Not trying to bash on CHQ, but the plane actually broke in IAH and you write it off to MX simulations. Yes, we have planes that break at XJT, its life, we get it fixed and dont try to tell people, oh well its just a MX training event for us to randomly break airplanes and see if they can fix it.

i don't know about the tires, the other guys post coincided with the airplanes being down there for MX training and simulations. I'm telling the truth. If an old tire or 12 blew out so be it, proving runs are done and the wave of old airplanes will begin to descend on IAH.

 

[Superpilot92]

i don't know about the tires, the other guys post coincided with the airplanes being down there for MX training and simulations. I'm telling the truth. If an old tire or 12 blew out so be it, proving runs are done and the wave of old airplanes will begin to descend on IAH.

Awesome, Great cant wait for the wave thats fantastic, Appreciate your professional demeanor! Thanks again.

 

[The Drizzle]

Awesome, Great cant wait for the wave thats fantastic, Appreciate your professional demeanor! Thanks again.

You are very, very welcome.