Put this in the WTF file

[ERJFO]

24 CRJ@'s and 20 E145's

Adding 5 per year for the next 5 years
Which comes to 69 birds by 2012

That sucks for us.

 

[Superpilot92]

24 CRJ@'s and 20 E145's

Adding 5 per year for the next 5 years
Which comes to 69 birds by 2012

Just my opinion, but i bet that doesnt happen. 44 airplanes will be it, i but we shall see.

CAL just increased our Block hours AGAIN for next year, go figure.

 

[SMOE]

I can see the Out Sation bases opening up for COA. We have IAH, SDF, and CRP now for the CRJ2, along with STL E145 COA flying.

I have a feeling we may see another Texas City as well.

Off the top of my head I belive the Jan bid pack listed MAF as well ;-)

 

[Bluestreak]

I only applied at one airline, and held out till I got on there because even as a CFI I knew there were only a few compaines I felt were furthering the profession, the one's I mentioned above are obviously not included in that category.

Bah ! I call BS.Ask any mainline pilot how regionals "further the profession".

 

[BlueCanoe]

I understand what you are saying. No one is going to be happy however, when 1/3 of their fleet is "up in the air" and it's benifiting another pilot group. Some of us believe that if you worked under an identical contract you wouldn't have been awarded our flying. Some of us believe that by working for a company like SkyWest or CHQ or Mesa you are hurting us all because ignoring a poor contract or a few missing payscales because you'll "upgrade soon" isn't helping those of us at other airlines that won't, and it's certainly not helping those of us that are loosing existing work (at the cost of our jobs possibly) so someone who agrees to work for less can upgrade.

I only applied at one airline, and held out till I got on there because even as a CFI I knew there were only a few compaines I felt were furthering the profession, the one's I mentioned above are obviously not included in that category.

You think it has to do with OUR contract? You're an idiot. If YOU listen to the conference call from CAL, we WEREN'T the lowest bid. We won 2 RFPs for a mixed fleet of flying. Do you maybe think CAL is trying to diversify? Do you think they already picked a "winner" prior to the RFP since we have the machine that everyone wants?

Think on it for awhile.

I picked my regional because I needed a job.

I will, however, buy you a huge wooden cross so you can nail yourself to it.

 

[dogtown]

I was under the impression RAH only got 44 airplanes for CAL, XJT is losing 69, and the lift lost by the other 25 will be made up for by 737s at mainline...

Correct. 69 was the origional number, but it is no longer in play. I don't know where the previous (to yours) poster is getting that but it isn't in any press releases ect... Of course RAH could get more flying in the next few years, (There is a schedule to which CAL can remove flying from XJT) but we could also lose it; I believe our contract with CAL is for 2 years.

 

[ERJFO]

You think it has to do with OUR contract? You're an idiot. If YOU listen to the conference call from CAL, we WEREN'T the lowest bid. We won 2 RFPs for a mixed fleet of flying. Do you maybe think CAL is trying to diversify? Do you think they already picked a "winner" prior to the RFP since we have the machine that everyone wants?

Think on it for awhile.

I picked my regional because I needed a job.

I will, however, buy you a huge wooden cross so you can nail yourself to it.

You're just a little on the touchy side... To answer your question I know they didn't pick a "winner" before the RFP - and I have no idea what machine you have the everyone wants. I do think that if your costs were the same as ours you would not have won the RFP. Does your contract play into this? Yes... I fail to see how that makes me an idiot.

This is the seccond time you've attacked me with minimal conviction, you need to chill out bro... Are things tough at home? Wife leave you?

Instead of lashing out at me why don't you realize that loosing flying is a little bit of a frustrating experience, don't tell me how it's not your fault and how you're just a pilot and I need to grow up. I think the fact the my career and QOL are on the chopping block to the bennifit to others allows me to be a little bit unhappy. I don't need nor want to be called an idiot or be told some 45 year old rugby player is going to beat me up (I know thats not you). For God sakes though, I don't need to be rebuked for being a little pissed I'm getting hosed by factors I can't controll and I certainly don't need to be told by one of your F/O's that "you gotta deal with it thats how this goes" after he asks me "how are things at ExpressJet?" when I'm asking his CA for a jumpseat.

 

[Popeye0537]

You're just a little on the touchy side... To answer your question I know they didn't pick a "winner" before the RFP - and I have no idea what machine you have the everyone wants. I do think that if your costs were the same as ours you would not have won the RFP. Does your contract play into this? Yes... I fail to see how that makes me an idiot.

This is the seccond time you've attacked me with minimal conviction, you need to chill out bro... Are things tough at home? Wife leave you?

Instead of lashing out at me why don't you realize that loosing flying is a little bit of a frustrating experience, don't tell me how it's not your fault and how you're just a pilot and I need to grow up. I think the fact the my career and QOL are on the chopping block to the bennifit to others allows me to be a little bit unhappy. I don't need nor want to be called an idiot or be told some 45 year old rugby player is going to beat me up (I know thats not you). For God sakes though, I don't need to be rebuked for being a little pissed I'm getting hosed by factors I can't controll and I certainly don't need to be told by one of your F/O's that "you gotta deal with it thats how this goes" after he asks me "how are things at ExpressJet?" when I'm asking his CA for a jumpseat.

Welcome to the world of the regionals....boooo whooooo. Do you see any Chqu'ers on the board whining about how mesa won all of Delta's flying?? Cal dosen't want another Comair situation where if you guys strike the $hit would hit their fan. I'm glad you only chose one regional to fly for, as it sits CHQ would have been the better of the two. Your contract is not that much better than anyones so don't give me the "better contract" BS.

I'll say it for what I hope is the last time.....ITS NOT YOUR FLYING!

On a side note about commuting to CRP, what goes around comes around. I tried to J/S on you guys on monday out of IAH and was denied. I asked to speak to the captain and he refused to come up and talk to me. You guys have CASS but yet I was still denied, the gate agent told me that in Jan I could sit up front according to our agreement with CAL. You guys want to start a J/S war?? If you end up on one of my flights and have to sit up front I will politely deny you access and give you that captains name who denied me. Hopefully this wont ever happen again.

 

[Wankel7]

I thought CASS was still down for Continental and expressjet?

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Welcome to the world of the regionals....boooo whooooo. Do you see any Chqu'ers on the board whining about how mesa won all of Delta's flying?? Cal dosen't want another Comair situation where if you guys strike the $hit would hit their fan. I'm glad you only chose one regional to fly for, as it sits CHQ would have been the better of the two. Your contract is not that much better than anyones so don't give me the "better contract" BS.

I'll say it for what I hope is the last time.....ITS NOT YOUR FLYING!

On a side note about commuting to CRP, what goes around comes around. I tried to J/S on you guys on monday out of IAH and was denied. I asked to speak to the captain and he refused to come up and talk to me. You guys have CASS but yet I was still denied, the gate agent told me that in Jan I could sit up front according to our agreement with CAL. You guys want to start a J/S war?? If you end up on one of my flights and have to sit up front I will politely deny you access and give you that captains name who denied me. Hopefully this wont ever happen again.

I have never seen so many wrong bulls**ted statements in one post. First of all XJT and CAL's CASS system has been down for the last month and a half so no other airlines at this time are allowed in the actual JS. Our union is pestering the company is fast as possible to update in the system. With your attitude, I hope you got a mistrip.

Yes, our contract is much better and more inline with a mainline carriers then any other "regional". I feel fortunate to have the contract we have and it was due to a good management team, a better MEC, and an outstanding pilot group with the resolve to aquire a contract that recognized the major airline flying we conduct. It's quite ironic and somewhat sad that because of our threat to strike, the moronic decision by CAL was made to seek out a lower bidder. When I got hired, I was hired by Continental Express, a subsidery of Continental so yes, that was my flying.

I personally don't wish to take anyone elses flying, but you seem so proud to do so. You guys already are having many mickey mouse issues starting up the CRJ program. No, that's not really your fault. But don't pretend like Chataqua is a quality operation and try to convince people to come over there. Suck up your ego and perhaps the lack of candidates will help your chance of achieving a quality contract that your type of flying deserves as sure isn't "regional" flying. Chaulk it up in the greatest blunders in aviation history: Continental awards Chachuckles airlines flying.

 

[Popeye0537]

I have never seen so many wrong bulls**ted statements in one post. First of all XJT and CAL's CASS system has been down for the last month and a half so no other airlines at this time are allowed in the actual JS. Our union is pestering the company is fast as possible to update in the system. With your attitude, I hope you got a mistrip.

Yes, our contract is much better and more inline with a mainline carriers then any other "regional". I feel fortunate to have the contract we have and it was due to a good management team, a better MEC, and an outstanding pilot group with the resolve to aquire a contract that recognized the major airline flying we conduct. It's quite ironic and somewhat sad that because of our threat to strike, the moronic decision by CAL was made to seek out a lower bidder. When I got hired, I was hired by Continental Express, a subsidery of Continental so yes, that was my flying.

I personally don't wish to take anyone elses flying, but you seem so proud to do so. You guys already are having many mickey mouse issues starting up the CRJ program. No, that's not really your fault. But don't pretend like Chataqua is a quality operation and try to convince people to come over there. Suck up your ego and perhaps the lack of candidates will help your chance of achieving a quality contract that your type of flying deserves as sure isn't "regional" flying. Chaulk it up in the greatest blunders in aviation history: Continental awards Chachuckles airlines flying.

Really...CAL's system is down?? How come I commuted in through CASS that night to IAH on CAL? You guys have a waiver that allows CASS carriers upfront...right The CRJ program is right on schedule please tell me how you know so much about our program. Who's running the program? Who wrote the SOP? Didn't think so, check your facts first before you spout off again.

You put is correctly, you work as a subsidery of CAL...not CAL itself so the flying is theirs not YOURS. Get that through your thick head. Your contract is inline with the Majors? Thats laughable also. You personally don't want to take anyone elses flying but you have to put those planes somewhere. I don't have an ego, sounds like you do though, cant wait to see you in the J/S.

 

[NEDude]

Your contract is inline with the Majors? Thats laughable also.

Yeah, have you seen the contracts at the majors lately? 10 days off, only 1/2 deadhead pay, no cancellation pay, no rigs. Can't speak for ExpressJet as I don't know their contract, but there are regionals out there where the work rules and benefits are better than at the majors these days. And in some cases the pay isn't that far off either.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Really...CAL's system is down?? How come I commuted in through CASS that night to IAH on CAL? You guys have a waiver that allows CASS carriers upfront...right The CRJ program is right on schedule please tell me how you know so much about our program. Who's running the program? Who wrote the SOP? Didn't think so, check your facts first before you spout off again.

You put is correctly, you work as a subsidery of CAL...not CAL itself so the flying is theirs not YOURS. Get that through your thick head. Your contract is inline with the Majors? Thats laughable also. You personally don't want to take anyone elses flying but you have to put those planes somewhere. I don't have an ego, sounds like you do though, cant wait to see you in the J/S.

I'll check into the waiver issue; my understanding though is we can't allow any other airlines in the actual jumpseat at the moment. I could be wrong, but you are out of line for assuming you were denied because the CA didn't want a Chataqua pilot onboard and not because of concern for fines from the FAA/TSA. Nobody within any logical reason wants to start a jumpseat war.

Yea, about that CRJ program, I've heard from more then a few pilots that know pilots in the know at Chataqua that there all kinds of issues with the desert CRJs. One's been down for mx in IAH for a few days with tire, strut, etc. issues. Some of your coworkers have questioned the integrity of the operations through statements to my coworkers I've flown with. But you seem to be some lame I assume male HS cheerleader type convinced everything is just fine rah, rah, republic, yea.

Again you seem so content about flying routes that were previously flown by XJT because we were just a subsiderary. I can understand the guys that come on here and say, hey, we're not excited to take your flying. But the start of this thread is complaining about the fact that it's a CRP base and trying to gain sympathy because it's a tougher commute then IAH. Thanks for your concern about our airplanes, your a$$nine CEO showed plenty of that when XJT dropped the ball and said we were keeping them. What it all comes down to is I really dislike your management team that's second inline as the plague of the industry next to Ornstein, and also those pilots like yourself that follow the race to the bottom mentality.

 

[DoubtingThomas]

your a$$nine CEO showed plenty of that when XJT dropped the ball and said we were keeping them. What it all comes down to is I really dislike your management team that's second inline as the plague of the industry next to Ornstein, and also those pilots like yourself that follow the race to the bottom mentality.

Geez, anyone who posts on this board sober needs to push back from the keyboard like they need to push off the dinner table.

I've been lurking here 3 years and have yet to see anything productive come from this toilet of a site.

Oh gee whiz you really dislike the management team?! Golly gee WHIZ! Do you think the CEO of RAH cares what you think? No, he could wipe his butt with $20 bills, and he doesn't even care what his own employees think! Get over yourself, your opinion is a mosquito fart in a tornado! Go out and talk to some girls already!!

And if you're married, well then bitch to your wife and save us the hassle.

 

[Fly2Scuba]

Geez, anyone who posts on this board sober needs to push back from the keyboard like they need to push off the dinner table.

I've been lurking here 3 years and have yet to see anything productive come from this toilet of a site.

Oh gee whiz you really dislike the management team?! Golly gee WHIZ! Do you think the CEO of RAH cares what you think? No, he could wipe his butt with $20 bills, and he doesn't even care what his own employees think! Get over yourself, your opinion is a mosquito fart in a tornado! Go out and talk to some girls already!!

And if you're married, well then bitch to your wife and save us the hassle.

Well, I agree that not much productive comes from this site, but you never know. Your comeback though doesn't have anything of substance, just a bunch a fluff about how I shouldn't be pissed off. Thanks Dr. Phil. In the meantime, I'll remember pilots like spinach-like industry poisoning pricks like Popeye. Someone who can't contemplate why XJT pilots are mad that

a) We were more intwined with Continental then any other "regional" besides Eagle being so with their perspective major. Especially considering that after 9/11 we had 400 Continental pilots flow back to XJT for a couple years
b) Chataqua is in fact taking over many of our routes
c) in the process, they almost took 69 of our aircraft to do the flying
d) the Continental product is about the suffer
e) most, vastly important though is the fact that some people like Popeye have no sympathy over the deal or our humbled to their fortunes
f) this is a continuation of the race to the bottom

Personally, on the occasion I've ran into a CAL pilot who didn't like Express, I've told them that I'd much rather have them do the flying, that I'm proud we've achieved a contract that's not in the nature of sacraficing pay and benefits for growth, and that we had 400 of their pilots back on our property for a couple years as evidence of our solidarity.

 

[BlackPilot628]

Again you seem so content about flying routes that were previously flown by XJT because we were just a subsiderary. I can understand the guys that come on here and say, hey, we're not excited to take your flying. But the start of this thread is complaining about the fact that it's a CRP base and trying to gain sympathy because it's a tougher commute then IAH. Thanks for your concern about our airplanes, your a$$nine CEO showed plenty of that when XJT dropped the ball and said we were keeping them. What it all comes down to is I really dislike your management team that's second inline as the plague of the industry next to Ornstein, and also those pilots like yourself that follow the race to the bottom mentality.

You should start by disliking "YOUR" management team. Flying was lost in this deal and it does suck. Welcome to world for re-bid's. If XJT is (was) to win the Midwest Airlines flying, would that be ok? Would you tell your Management; " Hey, we screwed the Skyway boys". Hell no! You would shut your mouth and fly those airplanes. You may not have a good feeling about doing such a thing, but you would.

Personally, I stay out of this re-bid stuff. Because someone is going to loose out. It may be a good company or it may be a sh1t company. We have had 2 base closers and have lost some flying to Freedumb (Mesa) and our pilot group was pissed; But we got over it and continued doing what we do best and that is fly airplanes. We didn't start denying Jumpseats.

Only thing I can say is that XJT has a good group of people for the most part. I know a ton of guys that left Corpex to go work for XJT. But you guys need to stop drinking that Koolade.Management will sale you up the river. CHQ's will, AWI's will, and most of the major's CEO's already have.
No ego here. Reality!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

You should start by disliking "YOUR" management team. Flying was lost in this deal and it does suck. Welcome to world for re-bid's. If XJT is (was) to win the Midwest Airlines flying, would that be ok? Would you tell your Management; " Hey, we screwed the Skyway boys". Hell no! You would shut your mouth and fly those airplanes. You may not have a good feeling about doing such a thing, but you would.
!

Okay, but some people like Popeye seem to be quite content so that is where I'm directing my disgust with. And no, I'd rather not taking anyone elses flying. But there is a greater solace that if we do it's not because we've continued the race to the bottom by underbidding another carrier for that flying because of the pilot contract in place. I certainly would be humbled, again not complaining about CRP as a base or spouting off about jumpseat complaints without solid information as to the status or in-the-know of the CA of that flight in regards to our CASS system waiver.

 

[The Drizzle]

Yea, about that CRJ program, I've heard from more then a few pilots that know pilots in the know at Chataqua that there all kinds of issues with the desert CRJs. One's been down for mx in IAH for a few days with tire, strut, etc. issues. Some of your coworkers have questioned the integrity of the operations through statements to my coworkers I've flown with. But you seem to be some lame I assume male HS cheerleader type convinced everything is just fine rah, rah, republic, yea.

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here. While one of the current CRJs has had some problems coming out of the frosty north(not the desert), the one down in IAH for MX is actually a MX simulation to get our MX peeps up to speed. While I understand how you guys want us to fail so terribly, what you are seeing is the successful implementation of a new aircraft program. Proving runs, MX simulations. Not just for pilots, but dispatchers, MX control and our wrench turners. Sorry to burst your bubble, things are moving forward and as of the middle of this last week, EVERYTHING about the CRJ program is on track. Look to see them doign a few USX flights in the coming week or two, no rush.

also, you made the point that i posted this thread to garner sympathy. not really, i wanted to show this company's idiocy. as a real malcontent in my company, you will get no cheerleading from me. what i won't do is stand to the side as you bash us for things that really are beyond our control. they won't be under our control until it comes time this year for our contract to go up. as for what will come from that, i have mixed expectations.

 

[The Drizzle]

c) in the process, they almost took 69 of our aircraft to do the flying

almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear war

d) the Continental product is about the suffer

that is a pretty big assumption. i'm not going to tell you that we are golden children, but you should stow your hubris

e) most, vastly important though is the fact that some people like Popeye have no sympathy over the deal or our humbled to their fortunes

yeah, we have a lot of that here

f) this is a continuation of the race to the bottom

congrats, you have now won catch phrase battle 2006

Personally, on the occasion I've ran into a CAL pilot who didn't like Express, I've told them that I'd much rather have them do the flying, that I'm proud we've achieved a contract that's not in the nature of sacraficing pay and benefits for growth, and that we had 400 of their pilots back on our property for a couple years as evidence of our solidarity.

who's the cheerleader now? RAH RAH RAH XJET!!!!

 

[Fly2Scuba]

almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, and nuclear war


that is a pretty big assumption. i'm not going to tell you that we are golden children, but you should stow your hubris



yeah, we have a lot of that here



congrats, you have now won catch phrase battle 2006



who's the cheerleader now? RAH RAH RAH XJET!!!!

I give you credit for being far more diplomatic and understanding then Popeye. Time for myself to be far more productive so I'm done with this thread. We'll have to probably just agree to disagree on the status of your test flights because just this week one of your pilots flying the test flight out of IAH was complaining about the many problems including blown out tires the CRJ was having. Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues. Race to the bottom isn't just a catch phrase, there are some real consequences behind it for the entire profession.

 

[The Drizzle]

I Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues.

we both know the crj is garbage and we'd be better off without it.

 

[StarChecker]

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here.

Careful....you might get banned for that.

 

[BoilerUP]

W&B is less of an issue in my experience on the CRJ than on the brazilian pencil jet. I've been bumped off more EMB jumpseats the past year because of MTOW issues than W&B issues on the CRJ. I think all the EMBs were LRs though; can't speak for the super-duper XR.

AWAC put 100lbs in tail of the airplane this summer amoung other things and that has nearly eliminated the need for ballast in our airplanes...unless there are 50 pax, a jumpseater, and only 15-20 checked bags. I'm sure many other CRJ operators have taken similar measures to prevent carrying a crapload of ballast and/or booting pax on a regular basis.

Do RAH CRJ pilots use a whiz-wheel for W&B?

 

[Popeye0537]

I give you credit for being far more diplomatic and understanding then Popeye. Time for myself to be far more productive so I'm done with this thread. We'll have to probably just agree to disagree on the status of your test flights because just this week one of your pilots flying the test flight out of IAH was complaining about the many problems including blown out tires the CRJ was having. Other sources have also suggested completion factor threatening issues let alone the W&B load limiting issues. Race to the bottom isn't just a catch phrase, there are some real consequences behind it for the entire profession.

Not understanding am I......hmmmm

I was the one bumped by Express, then got what I thought was hassled on the next flight that got me to work. You seem more content to take mainline type routes as long as express does the flying. The race to the bottom started with RJ's, even before XJT was a company.

From a personal stand point I agree with Drizzle, who the Fcuk wants to commute to CRP. I would have rather kept all of the Delta flying and be sitting on a beach in Ft. Lauderdale right now than wondering how many times I can use our commuter clause because I cant get to work!

 

[The Drizzle]

Careful....you might get banned for that.

meh, more time for bubble baths then

 

[bustinmins]

This sounds like the very coveted BNA base that Mesa still has. It too could be added to the WTF file.

Glad to be flying purple tailed monsters....and not dealing with these base closures etc....

You guys enjoy that!!....best of luck.

 

[rjacobs]

Time to interject a bit of truth to this one here. While one of the current CRJs has had some problems coming out of the frosty north(not the desert), the one down in IAH for MX is actually a MX simulation to get our MX peeps up to speed.

MX simulations? How do you tell a couple of pilots to go out and purposely blow tires so MX can get some practice changing them. Why not just have them go out and change tires instead of blowing tires. Not trying to bash on CHQ, but the plane actually broke in IAH and you write it off to MX simulations. Yes, we have planes that break at XJT, its life, we get it fixed and dont try to tell people, oh well its just a MX training event for us to randomly break airplanes and see if they can fix it.

 

[The Drizzle]

MX simulations? How do you tell a couple of pilots to go out and purposely blow tires so MX can get some practice changing them. Why not just have them go out and change tires instead of blowing tires. Not trying to bash on CHQ, but the plane actually broke in IAH and you write it off to MX simulations. Yes, we have planes that break at XJT, its life, we get it fixed and dont try to tell people, oh well its just a MX training event for us to randomly break airplanes and see if they can fix it.

i don't know about the tires, the other guys post coincided with the airplanes being down there for MX training and simulations. I'm telling the truth. If an old tire or 12 blew out so be it, proving runs are done and the wave of old airplanes will begin to descend on IAH.

 

[Superpilot92]

i don't know about the tires, the other guys post coincided with the airplanes being down there for MX training and simulations. I'm telling the truth. If an old tire or 12 blew out so be it, proving runs are done and the wave of old airplanes will begin to descend on IAH.

Awesome, Great cant wait for the wave thats fantastic, Appreciate your professional demeanor! Thanks again.

 

[The Drizzle]

Awesome, Great cant wait for the wave thats fantastic, Appreciate your professional demeanor! Thanks again.

You are very, very welcome.