Pucker Factor Scales?

[100-1/2]

Exactly where would you rate this?

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N108JA

 

[corpflunkie]

So tight, you couldn't pull dental floss out.

 

[shooter]

You would be more relaxed seeing those glue strips that hold on the TP to the roll after a taco-nacho feast that that flight.

http://grandcaravan.cessna.com/range.chtml

That must also be one light bladder holding his additional fuel.

 

[A-Track]

Wow, how much fuel do you have to cram in there to make a caravan run for 14 hours.

 

[DZ BUM & EFS]

Man that is some huge brass ones

 

[DZ BUM & EFS]

Wow, how much fuel do you have to cram in there to make a caravan run for 14 hours.

Well it comes stock with about 7 hrs. So you must have one heck of a tailwind or have plan "B"
A man would be advised to bring along a parachute.

 

[hawk16e]

Is that our NW Pilot?

A man would be advised to bring along a parachute.[/quote]

I've got a friend who ferried a twotter fro Australia. He said if one quit he would have just pressed forward on the yoke. "Maybe they would find you after a day, maybe they wouldn't"

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

My personal record in a Van is 5 hr.
13 hr?! Oh HELLLLLL NO!!

CE

 

[CaravanMan]

I hope his iPod was charged!

 

[Way2Broke]

Just another day in the life of a Pacific Wings pilot.

 

[100-1/2]

Soooooo, this was a return trip?

It is not a delivery of a new van (2002 Model S/N).

And just days after an engine out on another van in MI?


Sorry, No island hopping 'wannabe' 121 outfit pays enough for a line crew to make that flight.

Revenue 135 or not, how does an operator comply with the flight/duty day like that? "Unless otherwise approved by the administrator..."?

100-1/2

 

[PUNISHER]

Soooooo, this was a return trip?

It is not a delivery of a new van (2002 Model S/N).

And just days after an engine out on another van in MI?


Sorry, No island hopping 'wannabe' 121 outfit pays enough for a line crew to make that flight.

Revenue 135 or not, how does an operator comply with the flight/duty day like that? "Unless otherwise approved by the administrator..."?

100-1/2

Heavy crew it, lol. Seriously though, this looks like a ferrying flight which would most likely be conducted under 91. No flight and duty requirements to comply with.

 

[DZ BUM & EFS]

My personal record in a Van is 5 hr.
13 hr?! Oh HELLLLLL NO!!

CE

Mine was 5 hrs 36 min, PDX-PHX then I did it again the next day 5 hrs 36 min. PHX-PDX. All you need is a few sanwiches and bottles of H2o to fill back up.

 

[DZ BUM & EFS]

Is that our NW Pilot?

A man would be advised to bring along a parachute.

I've got a friend who ferried a twotter fro Australia. He said if one quit he would have just pressed forward on the yoke. "Maybe they would find you after a day, maybe they wouldn't"[/quote]
In a twotter you got two turning.

 

[727C47]

ferried a DC3 OAK-HNL a few years back,14.5 hrs,but we had 2 engines,3 crew, and could walk around a bit to stretch our legs,that guy,or girl had their work cut out for them with that sorte. God bless em !

 

[KingNothing]

What a tool

 

[skydivinguy]

Had a lady ferry pilot bring one from Hayward to Kahului, Maui several years ago to Pacific Wings.

She was 14.5 hours. Had 3 aux tanks in the fuselage for 5,000 lbs total fuel.

Darn thing sheared it's scavenge pump drive shaft shortly after we put it in service, pilots had to do a turnback and land on another island since the engine pissed all the oil overboard.

I was thinking that God was looking out for the lady on her trans pacific flight.

 

[FearlessFreep]

Back in around 1995 did a C-208 ferry flight from KOAK to WMKK (Kuala Lumpur) via PHNL (Honolulu), PKMJ (Majaro) and PTRO (Palau). It was a brand new aircraft being delivered to the Malaysian Police Force

Ran through a bunch of WX on the first leg and landed in PHNL with the low fuel warning horns going off during turns.

Aircraft was tanked with auxiliary aluminum tanks.

It was a fun trip!

 

[414Flyer]

My personal record in a Van is 5 hr.
13 hr?! Oh HELLLLLL NO!!

CE

I did 13 once in a Piper Warrior to Iceland. Going over the pacific, with a PT-6, has a lot less pucker factor than going over the north atlantic with an O-320.

Most ferry flights like that, are single engine piston.

 

[DC8CRIVER]

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Hey W2B,

That is some seriously wierd stuff you link to there. Do you actually have other pilots who fly with you? How drastically are they changed by the experience?

Hats off to the out-of-the-box thinkers.

DC8

 

[Way2Broke]

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Hey W2B,

That is some seriously wierd stuff you link to there. Do you actually have other pilots who fly with you? How drastically are they changed by the experience?

Hats off to the out-of-the-box thinkers.

DC8

http://www.shibumi.org/eoti.htm

Get a pager and come to YIP and maybe you will understand.

Nevermind, I see you flew a Jetstream as well, you already get it.

 

[Jurasicpilot]

You'd be surprised with the number of GA planes that go out and leap frog the Pacific. At least with the van you can carry a good raft and rations.

Plus there is no better way to think about your future in aviation than while floating in a 3 person raft in the Pacific. A place were you are no longer on top of the food chain.

 

[Princedietrich]

Well if you think about it, you're physically located at the top of the food chain. The vast majority of things that would eat you are located underneath you (with only a 1/8 slab of rubber between you and the dinner bell).

A 'van going at best power will give you roughly 350pph on the fuel flow, give or take a dozen or so. The stock tanks have 2224 pound capacity. I flew the things in freight ops so we were always balls to the wall, I would imagine that pulling one back to max economy will really sip the jet-a. A grand 'van in the freight configuration runs about 4700 pounds empty, and with a MGW increase kit they can top out on the ramp above 9000.

That thing must have been a flying gas can with at least another 2500 pounds worth in interior aux tanks as well as the wing tanks being topped. Prolly didn't have a pod on it either, that thing is huge drag. I know I wouldn't want to make that hop, not only for the sky high pucker factor but also for the mind numbing boredom. I hope that pilot had a protable dvd player plugged into the aux power socket and the entire lord of the rings trilogy (but would still have a few hours to spare).

 

[CrimsonEclipse]

I was pondering the 5000 lb comment.

4700+5000=9700 not including tank weight, pilot,
raft, rations.

It'll fly at 1000 over gross (er...so I've heard :erm

Also, 5000 lb at 315lb/hr (slow cruise) = about 15.5
(includes takeoff and climb). It doesn't take much of
a wind change to suck up 1-2 hr of reserves on that
length of flight.

BTW, what MGW increase mods are there?

CE

 

[414Flyer]

When I took a new Warrior over, the backseat was out, replaced by a 55 gallon barrel tank, and a smaller tank, about 30 gallons was where the front right seat would have been.

On westbound ferry flights in the Van, they take off out of Goose Bay or St Johns, climb up fairly high to get a nice push from westerly winds while using oxygen, and can get to Shannon Ireland (I think that airport is less friendly for ferry planes now, many go to Wick Scotland) with ferry tanks no problem.

A Cheyenne II can make it from St Johns to Azores without any tanks if flown right and with tailwinds

 

[fly_lanai]

The van was for Mokulele airlines. The guy flying it has done a ton of flights across the pond!

When Mokulele changed from chieftains to vans he flew the chieftains back to the mainland. Does all the flying by himself and does bring anything except a book for entertainment.

 

[Amish RakeFight]

Holy crumbcakes! :nuts:

 

[Way2Broke]

Does all the flying by himself and does bring anything except a book for entertainment.

But what we all want to know is, do these books have lots of pictures?

 

[fly_lanai]

But what we all want to know is, do these books have lots of pictures?

I have know idea! But I think he does a lot of studying the insides of his eyelids!