PSA screwing all regionals

[paddlehigh]

Well they are going for industry average not above and not below, so this is why I voted no. PS you can thank ALPA National because they signed off on the LOA.

 

[Tarzan]

Well they are going for industry average not above and not below, so this is why I voted no. PS you can thank ALPA National because they signed off on the LOA.

The LOA is reviewed by legal to ensure it correct. It is not reviewed to see how it affect everyone else.

 

[BFE]

Most of you all are nuts. I assume you're either current or former MESA pilots thus reducing your credibility. Of course, you should be very experienced in pointing out the whore$ of the industry. Remember the old saying when you're pointing at someone, you have 3 more fingers pointing back at you.

A few important thoughts:

1) PSA has been in negotiations (off and on) for greater than 70 seat rates for over 3 years. MESA filed for bankruptcy on Jan 5th of this year.

2) Correct: The current PSA MEC chairman is a former chief pilot, however, before that he was on the MEC as well and has always been a strong advocate for the pilot group.

3) These rates are a blend of lesser seat CRJ's currently on the property similar to what PSA has now. Have you seen PSA's straight 70 seat rates?

4) If MESA were to loose their junk 900's, I'm sure they would go to any of a number of other carriers. Does that make them whore$ too?

 

[Axel]

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PSA will undercut everyone for their own cause.

see 2003 rates to get the jets, see PDT, ALG, backstabbing at its best.

History is repeating itself.

This is a dirty little secret that you just get a whiff of once in a while but which never actually comes out into the daylight.

There is a reason that PSA got/is getting all the shiny jets while PDT and ALG were left to, and are, are withering on the vine. Rather than joining in a united stand, making a midnight backroom deal and using your WO brethren as flotation seat cushions.

 

[Axel]

Any ALG/PDT guys who were around during the first iteration of J4J want to comment?

Or for that matter, any PSA guys?

 

[paddlehigh]

Axel have you ever seen the PDT MECS letter to US AIRWAYS stating they were reading to negotiate without PSA for the jets, becuase I have. HAHAHA jokes on you now. Thats why PSA went forward without PDT.

 

[WSurf]

US Airways just made 279 million last quarter. Time to get something in return!

 

[WSurf]

Axel have you ever seen the PDT MECS letter to US AIRWAYS stating they were reading to negotiate without PSA for the jets, becuase I have. HAHAHA jokes on you now. Thats why PSA went forward without PDT.

Wrong! That was a rumor started by the sorry butt union leadership of PSA back then.

 

[WSurf]

I blame ALPA national for all that. They should have always had a open line of commincation between ALG, PSA and PDT. Its called a UNION isn't it! But no, ALPA sat back and let management play us all like fools.

 

[Axel]

Axel have you ever seen the PDT MECS letter to US AIRWAYS stating they were reading to negotiate without PSA for the jets, becuase I have. HAHAHA jokes on you now. Thats why PSA went forward without PDT.

This is anything but a joke. And are you saying that in order not to get screwed over by their WO brethren PSA rushed to screw them over first? No, not even a little bit funny.

I would like to see that letter. Can you scan/copy/paste here so all of us can read it?

 

[sniper]

Axel have you ever seen the PDT MECS letter to US AIRWAYS stating they were reading to negotiate without PSA for the jets, becuase I have. HAHAHA jokes on you now. Thats why PSA went forward without PDT.

That is a huge pile of bull---t

PSA f--d ALG and PDT just accept that.

 

[ex j-41]

This is how pathetic PSAs rates for a 900 or 86 seat jet are:


Captain :

1st year $66

5th year $75

10th year $ 86

15th year $ 98

18th year $ 103 top pay


PSA is doing it again. They are going to f---- the whole regional industry,
tell them thank you when you see them around the terminal.

I voted NO but what does 1st year captain rates have to do with anything? Noone will ever get paid that. But why is a 5th year guy making $28/hr less than a 18 year guy? The 5th year guy works more days/weekends/holidays etc...
Sooooo you work harder and get paid less. Doesn't make sense so the airlines adopt it.

 

[CaptainChris77]

I voted NO but what does 1st year captain rates have to do with anything? Noone will ever get paid that. But why is a 5th year guy making $28/hr less than a 18 year guy? The 5th year guy works more days/weekends/holidays etc...
Sooooo you work harder and get paid less. Doesn't make sense so the airlines adopt it.

If you would have asked me 5 years ago, I didn't think I'd ever be getting 5th year FO pay. Your mentality is what CHQ used way back when.... next thing you know a 6 year EMB-190 FO makes $36 or so.

Why not just make things right the first time?

 

[sniper]

Mesa will buy PSA and PDT and then PSA will get what they deserve.

My 2 cents

 

[Metro752]

Mesa will buy PSA and PDT and then PSA will get what they deserve.

My 2 cents

Mesa's assets will be sold to Skywest Inc.

Keep up with the news, pops.

Oh, and PSA will get new 900s to compliment the scrapheap that Mesa operates.

 

[Bluestreak]

This is how pathetic PSAs rates for a 900 or 86 seat jet are:


Captain :

1st year $66

5th year $75

10th year $ 86

15th year $ 98

18th year $ 103 top pay


PSA is doing it again. They are going to f---- the whole regional industry,
tell them thank you when you see them around the terminal.

Are these rates TRUE ? You mean you would be lower than RAH ? If this is true,PSA=the new Mesa.Bwahahaha !! YGBSM !

 

[Metro752]

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[sniper]

Mesa's assets will be sold to Skywest Inc.

Keep up with the news, pops.

Oh, and PSA will get new 900s to compliment the scrapheap that Mesa operates.

Lets see who is right, time will tell.

I hope this new Mesa MEC do to you what you are trying to do to them with this stupid LOA.

SKW is out of the picture if you have not read the news, they bought Express jet.


Adios

 

[ex j-41]

Any ALG/PDT guys who were around during the first iteration of J4J want to comment?

Or for that matter, any PSA guys?

From what i have heard the most consistant story is that PSA management was told from mainline that the Dork Props were going to be sold. PSA had a choice. Either take the CRJ or close your doors, and Piedmont will get the jets.
So take this with a grain of salt. PSA pilots were faced with the decision of looking for a new job or taking the CRJ's.
There were secret meetings between PSA MEC and Management. Whereas Piedmont was supposed to be included in all talks.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is the truth. It's just what i have heard in the past 7 years that is the most consistant. PSA Management does have a history of scaring pilots into signing a contract. Don't know if it's legal but thats the game they play.

And that brings us to the new 900 pay rate....

 

[sniper]

From what i have heard the most consistant story is that PSA management was told from mainline that the Dork Props were going to be sold. PSA had a choice. Either take the CRJ or close your doors, and Piedmont will get the jets.
So take this with a grain of salt. PSA pilots were faced with the decision of looking for a new job or taking the CRJ's.
There were secret meetings between PSA MEC and Management. Whereas Piedmont was supposed to be included in all talks.

Disclaimer: I have no idea if this is the truth. It's just what i have heard in the past 7 years that is the most consistant. PSA Management does have a history of scaring pilots into signing a contract. Don't know if it's legal but thats the game they play.

And that brings us to the new 900 pay rate....

So if MESA tells you "we will give you an interview" and MESA MEC tells you "we are going to staple you"

What is your choice?