PSA Questions

[Smoking Man]

Well you seem to know everyting, so any littery numbers fur me?

 

[328dude]

As stated, I agree with some of N's points, but not his point on us going to MESA. Wouldn't make sense, and MESA managment is not interested.

What could happen? 700's go away. 50 seaters continue the delivery schedule or 50 seaters are halted, and the furloughs are split 50/50 with recall going back to the PSA guys.

With so many few J4J's here already, the problem with the J4J's guys getting lines has already corrected itself. If US MEC wan'ts to continue pushing this issue, this place will burn in hell before we surrender our senority.

There are more options and solutions, just non the US MEC want's to work with.

So be it.

 

[BFE]

Weasil, DorkProp!

Please review what Weasil quoted me on:

"Our MEC seems to be taking a stand and is willing to loose their (our) jobs over this situation without allowing us to vote or at least consulting the majority. Word has it that if the 70+ seat issues are not resolved which will cause the CRJ 701's to leave the property, our CRJ 200 program will be stopped at about 32 planes or cut back to who knows what."

So, where are the lies in this statement?


I have heard from very good sources that there is more than one MEC member that has no problem making the decision to loose our jobs at the MEC level. In other words, no pilot group vote!

The current MEC is the most dangerous I've seen here. Sure, they sent out a worthless LOA 7 for the pilot group to vote on. However they were trying to shoot it down behind the scenes, how do I know? I talked to some of the SOB's and from what I have heard all voted against it on the pilot group vote! So what is a regular line guy like me supposed to think of my MEC with this knowledge? Confused, and clueless come to mind first.

Dorkprop, I think the number is greater than 5 that would give up a sliver of senority. That is all it comes down to, a sliver. Especially if they were lucky enough to have the choice when faced with loosing their jobs.

 

[328dude]

Weasil, DorkProp!

Please review what Weasil quoted me on:

"Our MEC seems to be taking a stand and is willing to loose their (our) jobs over this situation without allowing us to vote or at least consulting the majority. Word has it that if the 70+ seat issues are not resolved which will cause the CRJ 701's to leave the property, our CRJ 200 program will be stopped at about 32 planes or cut back to who knows what."

So, where are the lies in this statement?

The lies are very clear. You are talking about two seperate issue's. LOA 7 dealt with 700 payrates and work rule changes. You have yet to see a LOA regarding slotted bidding. Here's the kicker. The majority(overwhelming) of the pilot's the reps represent, have stated that they will not be in favour of giving up their senority. Period. LOA 7 was voted down by statistically the same percentage of pilot's that vote each time there is a vote. The biggest issue with LOA 7 was the language. If and when that is changed, you will once again have the chance to vote on it. If it is ratified, then this little problem is off the table.

I have heard from very good sources that there is more than one MEC member that has no problem making the decision to loose our jobs at the MEC level. In other words, no pilot group vote!

There is nothing for you to vote on BFE. We are making decision's based on what the pilot's are voicing thier concerns to us about. It's very clear that they do not want this slotted senority crap and will vote it down. Therefore, if the MEC has the same reservations as the pilot's and even more concerns you are not even aware of, then it will not even pass the MEC for a vote.

The current MEC is the most dangerous I've seen here. Sure, they sent out a worthless LOA 7 for the pilot group to vote on. However they were trying to shoot it down behind the scenes, how do I know? I talked to some of the SOB's and from what I have heard all voted against it on the pilot group vote! So what is a regular line guy like me supposed to think of my MEC with this knowledge? Confused, and clueless come to mind first.

Let's get this straight. The MEC did not endorse LOA 7. We agreed to it as long as it was sent out for pilot ratification. That was it.

Dorkprop, I think the number is greater than 5 that would give up a sliver of senority. That is all it comes down to, a sliver. Especially if they were lucky enough to have the choice when faced with loosing their jobs.

PM me five non J4J guys that are in favor of the slotted senority system and I will call them myself. THere is no use sending somthing out for pilot raitification that will be shoot down in less than 5 seconds.

I sorry you feel that by giving your senority away, things would be better for you. If your able to pursuade the majority of the pilot's here on your line of thinking and why this is good for us and the industry, then the reps might change their tune. Untill then, no dice.

No need to PM your name, I already know who you are.

 

[skeezer]

BFE,

If any LOA on giving any type of seniority to the J4J guys goes to vote within the pilot group it WILL fail! The MEC reps know the views of the majority of their pilots and will vote accordingly if they are forced to. The majority of the pilots at PSA would rather send the planes to MESA than give in to the mainline MEC's ludicrous demands. Our negotiating commity has tried to bargain with the mainline MEC in good faith and they have not done the same. So f*ck 'em!

If they can't even staff their "own" 70-seat airline with furloughed pilots why the hell should we give them any breaks here?

Skeezer

 

[DorkProp]

Weasil, DorkProp!

Please review what Weasil quoted me on:

"Our MEC seems to be taking a stand and is willing to loose their (our) jobs over this situation without allowing us to vote or at least consulting the majority. Word has it that if the 70+ seat issues are not resolved which will cause the CRJ 701's to leave the property, our CRJ 200 program will be stopped at about 32 planes or cut back to who knows what."

So, where are the lies in this statement?


I have heard from very good sources that there is more than one MEC member that has no problem making the decision to loose our jobs at the MEC level. In other words, no pilot group vote!

The current MEC is the most dangerous I've seen here. Sure, they sent out a worthless LOA 7 for the pilot group to vote on. However they were trying to shoot it down behind the scenes, how do I know? I talked to some of the SOB's and from what I have heard all voted against it on the pilot group vote! So what is a regular line guy like me supposed to think of my MEC with this knowledge? Confused, and clueless come to mind first.

Dorkprop, I think the number is greater than 5 that would give up a sliver of senority. That is all it comes down to, a sliver. Especially if they were lucky enough to have the choice when faced with loosing their jobs.

How did I get dragged into this? The only thing I posted was about what PSA stands for.

 

[328dude]

He ment me dude... Sorry.....

Hey, is that a baby I hear crying? LOL

 

[B190Captain]

328, that avatar is truly disturbing!

 

[N93]

It is my understanding of the current situation is within a very short period of time the decision is going to be made to put the CRJ-701 on the mainline certificate under the Mid Atlantic umbrella. There will be no contracual issues as the termsof Mid Atlantic are set and it is felt aircraft can be on Mainline certificate by end of September. The current J4J Checkairmen on the 701 will be offered early release to go to Mid Atlantic.

 

[328dude]

Good Idea

 

[BFE]

Sorry Dorkprop! I just saw a post of yours prior to my last one and your name stuck in my mind.

No need to PM your name, I already know who you are.

328Dork,I mean Dude! See,there I go again! Is this your way of keeping me quiet by threatening me? Try harder! Please confront me in person since you have all the answers and know me.

 

[OneTuffGuy]

you two both need to realize you work for the same company and do not need to be fighting with each other. the pilots of PSA need to stick together and fight the evil that U mainline is once again trying to pull.

 

[328dude]

I don't see where I threatened you my friend. I'm just telling you that your thinking on this matter is off a bit from the rest of the pilot group.

Your entitled to your opinion and that's fine. Just don't expect PSA to role over and hand mainline their dick$!.

Let's just agree to disagree on this then ok?

See ya online.

 

[the turtle]

Although I don't have a direct dog in this fight, it appears from the rosters and new-hire classes that Mesa couldn't handle any PSA jets that may be optioned away...in short, if Mesa/PSA is making a play they sure aren't preparing for it!

 

[the turtle]

furthermore, JO's hard-on appears to be facing the direction of United and AmericaWest....he seems to be leary of U at this point.