PSA - Possible Safety Alert?

[md83drvr]

The NTSB report you cited has nothing to do with the APU operation. It would not affect the out come if an APU was/was not running and a fuel truck catches fire. I'm sure the crew in the report you cited had the APU running, most likely for heat/AC if they were sleeping on board. If you are going to cite an NTSB report find one that is relevant.

The APU inlet on the CRJ is on the top, almost no danger of ingesting anything from the ground. The exhust is from the right rear, and the "danger area" is only 15 feet. If you watch the crews do their walk around most guys are within that area, it is not that hot, there is more of a danger of your hat blowing across the ramp.

I don't know what you see as close proximity to aother a/c, but in DCA the aircraft are no closer than any other ramp/gate area.

If you actually know anything about fire science then you would know that the danger from JET-A is not the liquid but the vapors. No vapors with SPR. Plus the SPR is on the front on the wing well clear from the APU exhust. There is more chance of a static discharge causing a fire/explosion then the APU. That is why the fuelers ground the aircraft before they connect.

With my 19 years in aviation,most as an airline pilot and 20 years in the fire service (carrer and volunteer) I feel comfortable everytime I walk away from an a/c with the APU running. Don't over react, and don't try to Monday night quarterback.

 

[Stick Man]

The NTSB report you cited has nothing to do with the APU operation. It would not affect the out come if an APU was/was not running and a fuel truck catches fire. I'm sure the crew in the report you cited had the APU running, most likely for heat/AC if they were sleeping on board. If you are going to cite an NTSB report find one that is relevant.

The APU inlet on the CRJ is on the top, almost no danger of ingesting anything from the ground. The exhust is from the right rear, and the "danger area" is only 15 feet. If you watch the crews do their walk around most guys are within that area, it is not that hot, there is more of a danger of your hat blowing across the ramp.

I don't know what you see as close proximity to aother a/c, but in DCA the aircraft are no closer than any other ramp/gate area.

If you actually know anything about fire science then you would know that the danger from JET-A is not the liquid but the vapors. No vapors with SPR. Plus the SPR is on the front on the wing well clear from the APU exhust. There is more chance of a static discharge causing a fire/explosion then the APU. That is why the fuelers ground the aircraft before they connect.

With my 19 years in aviation,most as an airline pilot and 20 years in the fire service (carrer and volunteer) I feel comfortable everytime I walk away from an a/c with the APU running. Don't over react, and don't try to Monday night quarterback.

Busy being a "carrer" volley huh? I'm only saying that it COULD be dangerous and is unnecessary for 45 mins on a ramp when the a/c is unattended in this situation.

And I know that the "out come" and circumstances of the aforementioned NTSB report is not perfectly similar, but merely highlights what kind of bad situation could make (what I believe to be) a poor decision even worse.

DIRK - no battle here - just my opinion (similar to my a55hole), free, and for me to state when I want.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

DIRK - no battle here - just my opinion (similar to my a55hole), free, and for me to state when I want.

And for that, you will be ostracized.

 

[Ted Striker]

DIRK - no battle here - just my opinion (similar to my a55hole), free, and for me to state when I want.

Dude, did you just say your a$$hole was "free"? NAMBLA has it's own website.

 

[328dude]

What's more alarming is Stick thinking he has the right to board other company's aircraft. I find it strange how you can see the Master Caution blinking when you went over to investigate from the ground.

You claim you didn't go inside, I find that hard to believe. Did it ever occur to you that a captain deadheaded in on the inbound flight and remained on board while the FO and FA went inside?

 

[phishn@daves]

Dude, did you just say your a$$hole was "free"? NAMBLA has it's own website.

Ha!!

I love using NAMBLA in certain situations.

Ha! Good form!

 

[md83drvr]

Once again you show that you cannot cite the appropriate text. I did not say carrer volly....I said career AND volunteer, done both over the last 20 years.


Yo never answered the question, how would an APU that is running affect the out come of a fuel truck on fire under the wing? If the fuel truck blows up, the a/c is gone. If the wing catches fire the a/c is gone. How would an APU change anything about the inccident. "NTSB report is not perfect," how about not even close.

The APU running is not "dangerous and is unnecessary for 45 mins on a ramp when the a/c is unattended." Most a/c will take a substantial time to cool/heat in order to make the cabin comfortable for the passengers (remember the reason we exists).

 

[Dash8301]

Stick Man you sound like some MESA tool

 

[328dude]

I think so too. Doesn't sound like something PDT or the former ALG boys and girls would do. They have atleast some class

 

[Stick Man]

so now it's gonna be a Mesa thing again huh? What's so bad with Mesa? IT'S ONLY THE BEST AIRLINE OUT THERE!!!

 

[J32driver]

Do a little reading.... he looks like a Chautauqua pilot.... who's trolling for a fight.

TOOL.

 

[blott]

easy there... Remind me again who is the Air Transport World "2004 Regional Airline of The Year"....

B

 

[sweptback]

easy there... Remind me again who is the Air Transport World "2004 Regional Airline of The Year"....

You do realize that award gets passed around like a cheap hooker, right? It's not that big of a deal, and even if you think it is, you only have 2 more months to enjoy it.

 

[Stick Man]

Do a little reading.... he looks like a Chautauqua pilot.... who's trolling for a fight.

TOOL.

LOL, get over yourselves.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

LOL, get over yourselves.

That seems like good advice. Why don't you do the same and stop this nonsense?

 

[commuterguy]

Hey stick man,
I walked away from my plane one time and left the number two running. shiiit happens. For you to be so concerned about an apu running when it has automatic shutdown protection is a bit over the top in my opinion. I worry about my plane and that's about all I care to worry about for my wopping 61.02 an hour. You must be getting paid alot more than me (I hope). Take care.

 

[BeCareful!]

OK, so you don't find the humor in the .3

I take it you feel that the flight time listed here should be accurate.

00000 pretty well sums up your worth, Sticky.

 

[Stick Man]

6 days since your last reply and that's what you come up with?

Come on dude - let it die.

 

[lear24]

Nark!

 

[druglord]

stickman- what a knob

 

[HockleyPilot]

Paranoid, sums it up...

I absolutely love this site. Reading this site's NEWS and other info is outstanding. As an added plus, I like drinking beer as well. Well, I like reading this, while drinking beer.....that's pretty much the ONLY way to do things.

Stick I have nothing against you and I agree this post has been way too long. But I couldn't resist.....much like others....

APU's could catch fire.......terrorists could attack us.....engines may catch fire in flight resulting in (fill in your own conclusions)........Toilets may explode (read the book "Ask the Pilot").........Pilots may be drunk and try to fly.........ILS's may be inop............Pilot may go below min's............Tails may ice up...........A/c may stall at 41,000ft..........Pilots may be laid off.......flight attendants may put out.........and may be sluts........and Apu's COULD catch fire.

I can understand, although briefly, your concern.....but let manufacturers be manufacturers....and let pilots be the alcoholics.....

JIM BEAM

 

[Stick Man]

hmmmm.

I wonder how much of that burned fuel could have saved some PSA pilots' jobs.

Probably none.

Snicker . . . snicker . . .

 

[737 Pylt]

Man, this whole thread was awsome! I even took a time out and got some popcorn!
737

 

[svcta]

Is this guy still serious?

I can't believe your arrogance, Stick Chic. I only registered to tell you what a pompas a$$hole I think you are. You know those "unqualified" people fueling your airplane? Well, I'm a pilot with the same ratings that you've got, and I used to pump that fuel. I would venture to guess that those guys that you seem to resent making "$14.00 /hr" standing in the rain while you drink your decaf know just as much about ground servicing that a/c as you do. Probably more. The last straw with me was when you made the crack about the PSA furloughees having jobs had PSA saved that fuel. I've been around this biz. for 26 years, you little snot nose, and I guarantee it will come your way sooner or later(I'll be big enough not to wish it on you). You remember me when it does, I'll buy some fries from you. D!ckhead.

 

[KingAirer]

Maybe its all a Jeep thing and we wouldnt understand???

 

[Ted Striker]

This is phenomenal, six pages and the guy still won't shut up!! Great, free entertainment.

What wouldn't I understand about a jeep thing, stick?

 

[mmmdonut]

I'd just like to say again that he's a douche.... thank you

 

[Rekks Inbound]

Had to chime in on this one. I hope you never make a mistake, but it looks like you have by continuing this thread. By putting out Date, Time, Tail Number and location, you have pretty much pointed a finger at the crew, for NO GOOD REASON. People like you are the reason that Pro Standards is so nessesary, to straighten out NUMBNUTS LIKE YOU! You obviously were sleeping during the systems ground school during APU discussions.
By the way, the APU on the CRJ has NEVER in it's history created the problem that you describe. We leave ours running all night in the colder climates during the winter, and I'll bet that they are not attended all the time. I have had the APU on the CRJ autoshutdown on it's own many times, protecting the aircraft JUST LIKE IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO!

Go back to preschool, you TOOL!