PSA - Possible Safety Alert?

[061984]

Keep diggin dumbazz!

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Delta and Continental both have a procedure of leaving the APU powered while the A/C is unattended. They have been doing that for decades.

 

[FL000]

Did you or anyone else gain anything from your posting this info in public? I hear a resounding...

NO!

 

[BeCareful!]

Stick Boy is obviously a rookie without a cause......

Stick: do you think we should shut down the APU for refueling? Do you have any idea what the minimum turn times would be for that sort of operation? Power carts everywhere.......

Good grief, why am I wasting time explaining this. The guy obviously is a rookie with too much time on his hands.

Don't worry, someday you'll understand what a moron you used to be.

 

[Stick Man]

Stick Boy is obviously a rookie without a cause......

Stick: do you think we should shut down the APU for refueling? Do you have any idea what the minimum turn times would be for that sort of operation? Power carts everywhere.......

Good grief, why am I wasting time explaining this. The guy obviously is a rookie with too much time on his hands.

Don't worry, someday you'll understand what a moron you used to be.

Becareful,

8967.3?

I'm impressed.

.3, and I'm a moron?

LOL

I believe that an a/c that will be left unattended for more than a reasonable amount of time (45 - 60 mins) should be shut down. APU and all. I believe that an unattended a/c, being refueled on a ramp (by very unskilled persons) in VERY close proximity to other a/c (not to mention people) should be shut down or attended to by skilled personnel. My other concern would be the fact that the airport where an aircraft is left unattended and powered-up should also be used in making a decision to leave an a/c up and running. A security sensitive airport, an airport that is under careful scrutiny of the local press, or a location or airfield that is easily accessible to evil-doers or many highly unskilled laborers in this day and age would also have great bearing on where I follow blurbs placed in the GOM meant to save a few dollars.

I also believe that if a GOM says that the procedure of leaving an aircraft, completely unattended and powered-up via an APU, is allowable, then every pilot who is mandated to follow said GOM, has the right to follow the GOM to the "letter of the law". However, I personally would use my own judgment and shut it down and let the next crew start up the a/c. Fukc the company and the price it pays for a cycle vs. fuel. My query only deals with an a/c that is unattended. I obviously believe that an a/c that is being refueled (i.e. on a quick turn or a turn of less than 45 mins.) should be powered in one way shape or form (as long as it isn't left unattended). System redundancy be **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED**ed, incidents happen and systems fail as we all have unfortunately witnessed recently. Canadian and Brazilian made valves fail. Period. Computer and computer driven systems fail. If you fly glass, then this is no shock to you "becareful".

Also, becareful, allow me to address the rookie comment as well as some earlier comments. I've seen the big picture. Many times.
14 years of flying experience as well as 7 years in a public safety career (fire science classes with firefighting experience and ARFF classes as well). You're right, I must be a rookie in many areas.

Treetop - please pm me with some info so we can get together and I can fulfill your fantasies. When I'm done - you'll never forget me. Probably cause you'll never be able to function in any manner, again. If you don't get in touch with me, I'll understand that you are just a big talker which in my book, means pu55y. You think I'm a tool so let's catch up and hang out some time soon. I'm off til Sunday and next weekend too. If you fly on the weekends (which I assume you will say) I'll meet you at an overnight and you can buy me a few before you'll have to call out the next am. By the way - this is not a threat, I'm just gonna take you up on your offer, you fukcing tool.

 

[tscarecrow]

Wow!

Fight! Fight!

 

[mmmdonut]

Hey rookie.. shut your yap and worry about your own plane.. stupid FA

 

[DirkkDiggler]

Stick D!ck,


You lost this one buddy. Give it up and get on with your next thought. You stated your opinion and we all told you what we thought of it. Move on.

 

[BeCareful!]

Sticky -

Yeah, I logged the .3 last week, so I thought I'd post it.

Actually, I soloed in 1978. My flight time far exceeds what I've listed. The .3 was supposed to be funny.

Since you're the fireman, I'll concede the rest of the argument. I'm making an immediate recommendation that PSA purchase 50 brand new GPUs and we'll just start shutting them down.

Good work, Stick Boy!

 

[J32driver]

Fukc the company and the price it pays for a cycle vs. fuel.

Thats all fine and dandy until YOU are the one stuck running around with a MEL'd APU becuase your company has been beating them up by starting and stopping them for 10 minutes at a time.

Name ONE incident where leaving an APU running unattended on a Bombardier product has resulted in damage to an aircraft or property.

OH yeah.... If I catch an unsupervised/non-company pilot on board my aircraft, you are going to have to explain yourself to security and then your own Chief Pilot. TOOL.

 

[Wasted]

OH yeah.... If I catch an unsupervised/non-company pilot on board my aircraft, you are going to have to explain yourself to security and then your own Chief Pilot. TOOL.

Good point. Better let the TSA know there was a "PSA - Possible Security Breach" regarding N246PS, Monday night at DCA.

 

[cxcap]

this little stick boy is probably some 14 year old that thinks he knows everything because he reads the forums on airliners.net. why dont you take the advice from some other people on here and let the FAA, Bombardier, PSA, and the crew know that they are all wrong and you are right you fukcing idiot

 

[cxcap]

I believe that an a/c that will be left unattended for more than a reasonable amount of time (45 - 60 mins) should be shut down. APU and all.

Didn't you say it was unattended for 45 mins? This sounds like less than 45-60 to me. Now he's contradicting himself.

 

[Stick Man]

Lol

Gawd, this is soooo much fun.

Some more quick points.

1. I never enterered the a/c.
2. I'm not 14, I'm 16.
3. Still haven't received any PM's.
4. For the most part (I hate blanket statements too - but there are so few exceptions), any a/c left unattended by qualified personnel for any amount of time should be shut down.
5. I've had plenty of MEL'd APU's and I didnt go around crying like a baby (as I'm sure J32 has).
6. .3 is still retarded - I've seen some of your prior posts and it confirms more about you than you probably realize.

I love this 5h!t, keep it going. LOL

 

[Stick Man]

By the way . . .

this little stick boy is probably some 14 year old that thinks he knows everything because he reads the forums on airliners.net. why dont you take the advice from some other people on here and let the FAA, Bombardier, PSA, and the crew know that they are all wrong and you are right you fukcing idiot

posted by cxcap in 3/04!!!

"Hey guys -

First let me give you some background info. I just turned 18 a month and a half ago and recently received my commercial and multi ratings that my parents paid for. I have 262.7 hours total time. My dad is friends with some higher ups at mesa that were nice enough to get me an interview a couple weeks ago. Well, they called yesterday and offered me the next CRJ class. I can't wait to get started. I have always wanted to work at mesa and would work for free just for the chance to fly the RJ. I know some people say the pay is not the best so my parents are going to buy me a house. I wanted to start looking and wondered where would be the best place to be based.

Thanks!

P.S. - they gave me a $450,000 limit on the house so it can't be anywhere too expensive."

Son, I don't know where to begin. Please tell me this was a joke. 262.7? LOL what - do you have now? 605.2?

 

[KingAirer]

Just let it go.

 

[phishn@daves]

<desperately searching for treetops post>


I completely agree with Stick on this one. And a couple to add........

Don't run with scissors.
Use velcro instead of laces. (obvious reasons)
Be careful what you wish for.
Don't trust a skinny cook.
Shoot first......"query" later.

And a bit of advice...........I've never gone to bed with a fat chick, I have however woken up next to one. Always drink with a friend around.

 

[mmmdonut]

Wow.. Stick is really stubborn. He won't admit his post was lame and inappropriate.

I suggest we all call him names in rapid succession until he capitulates.
That's right, stick ass, all you have to do is say you were wrong and we will let it slide. Here, I'll begin.

1. You are a douchebag.

 

[767200]

UNSAFE. This is unsafe regardless of policy. This is especially dangerous when the a/c is in close prox to others, fuel is being delivered and total reliance is being placed upon systems and "redundant systems".

There was absolutely no crew on board - I watched them leave the plane and heard the inbound crew for the plane (45 mins later) call in-range.

Ted - I walked over to the a/c and verified that the crew had left the a/c (the CA had a flight to catch - I assume to go home due to what I heard on his in range call). I watched the FA and FO leave and close the a/c. The reason that I noticed the situation is because appx. 15 mins after the crew left, I noticed a blinking yellow light in the cockpit on the glareshield. My crew thought it was a fuel truck rotating beacon reflection. Then I noticed exhaust fumes from a running APU. That's when I walked over to the a/c, flagged down a Ramp Super and queried.

Poor - I talked to ops and no one responded back to me when I let them know the a/c was still powered up.

FmrFrieght - I am not second guessing the crew. I am second guessing the saftey of a decision or a policy you FUKC. I will worry about my own stupidity and continue to follow my better judgement and my GOM/FAR's in that order. Safety, Cerificate, Company is what I've practiced for 14 years. It's worked so far. Regarding "calling the crew out by tail number on a public forum is a good way to get someone in trouble with management", if they deserve to get in trouble - so be it. My allegience is not with the company or with management or with any pilot individually. It is with the pilot group as a whole. And the pilot group as a whole should always be on the side of safety as well as policy. I question the SAFETY of the crew/airline on their "procedure" or the shortcomings of the crew if it was an "error". If it was a shortcoming, I hope that bringing attn. to it will rectify this situation. You, my friend, if you believe that quality evaluation and assurance of performance doesn't belong on a forum, are the "Idiot". Regardless if the crew was indirectly identified or not. PM me and we can chat more freely about it if you want.

Why? At TSA we can "ground safe it" (APU running, NO Bleeds, Batteries OFF, Emergency Lights OFF). The APU will automatically shutdown if detects iny fault.

 

[Bluestreak]

Why? At TSA we can "ground safe it" (APU running, NO Bleeds, Batteries OFF, Emergency Lights OFF). The APU will automatically shutdown if detects iny fault.

Why,indeed ! I guess the rest of us are just airplane-driver switch monkeys because we don't comb the entire DCA ramp for aircraft being fueled before starting an APU.Perhaps "Stickman" consults with ground and issues a NOTAM before every engine or APU start.He is truly a candidate for a$$nozzle of the century.If any PSA crew does suffer from his idiot actions,I hope they seek legal action against him.And punch him in the ballz.Prolly some Freedumb scab who washed out at PSA.For the record,I am a "Frank Was Right" alumni.Now "stick",have a big steamin' bowl of STFU.

 

[RSRVWINDSURFR]

Especially when a $14.00/hr fueler is out on the side of an a/c.(for a million safety reasons).

Why? Are you afraid the fueler is going to get confused and try and fuel the aircraft through the APU air inlet? Central point fueling needs the a/c powered up, idiot. Oh, and you just said you never entered the A/C, so how do you know nobody was hanging out in the back? At X-Jet, the apu's are leased, and we are charged per cycle, not time used. It comes out in the wash, so ya might as well be comfortable...

 

[Stick Man]

some more fuel . . .

NTSB report 20001211X11594.

I will concede that the aircraft was not unattended, but the crew was sleeping in bunks. The event that happened was outside of the control of the crew and a fire ensued.

If a similar event happened at DCA, a major incident could have taken place. It would definately be a better situation if the unattended a/c was not powered up via the APU.

I know this NTSB event is a stretch (I am willing to admit that), but I am still looking for an event that would be more applicable.

 

[CRJDog]

I say that this thread should be deleted. Obviously, d!ckman here does not have a clue of what he is talking about. Maybe it would be better for him to stay inside the terminal with his face pasted on the glass like most kiddies.

 

[DirkkDiggler]

If any PSA crew does suffer from his idiot actions,I hope they seek legal action against him.And punch him in the ballz.

Great suggestion but from the sound of it, Stick D!ck doesn't have any balls. He certainly panics like a nervous b!tch.

A couple people have posted that the APU needs to be running to refuel. I was loathe to say this because I don't want to sound like I'm supporting Stick D1ck's statement, but the CRJ does NOT have to be powered up in order to be pressure refueled. The refuel/defuel panel is tied directly to the battery bus so the APU does not need to be running for the fuel guy. That being said, I'd still leave the dammned thing on unless the aircraft were going to sit for an hour or more.

 

[StaySeated]

"Alas, I was wrong.Now go get your Fuc%ing shine box!"

Your killing me, I am going to bust out the DVD and watch that scene right now. Thats the hardest I have laughed at flightnoinfo, and this site makes me laugh all the time!

 

[phishn@daves]

"Alas, I was wrong.Now go get your Fuc%ing shine box!"

Your killing me, I am going to bust out the DVD and watch that scene right now. Thats the hardest I have laughed at flightnoinfo, and this site makes me laugh all the time!

Ha!

Well you been gone for a while maybe you didn't hear, I aint a firefighter no more.

 

[treetopflyer]

stick man,

while i havent kicked anyones ass in a while and i would love to give and old fashioned country ass-whuppin on you for being a dip-sh$t in general. it makes me happy just to know that you are dumb and i am not.

btw we all know people like you

on the line: you are so standard you cant operate outside the box and write up people who do things "you" think are unsafe.

in the classroom: you are the one who has "one more question" when its time to go home.

at home: you fukc your wife/girlfriend/gay lover missionary style only. because thats how god wants it and you follow the rules

im sorry but i would like to offer you a tall cold very frosty glass of STFU

dork!

 

[Stick Man]

Treetop

You couldn't be more wrong...

1. I have a right to my opinion.
2. I understand the difference between standard, technique and opinion
3. I never ask the "one more question", in fact, I'm usually at the door by then
4. Your wife can attest to the rest.
5. Regarding pouring me a frosty one, I'd rather have you offer to open up a can. We'd see who the real man was then. By the way, your wife can still attest to that one, too.

SM

 

[treetopflyer]

i grow weary of you.

so you have fun, flanders

 

[DirkkDiggler]

You couldn't be more wrong...

1. I have a right to my opinion.
2. I understand the difference between standard, technique and opinion
3. I never ask the "one more question", in fact, I'm usually at the door by then
4. Your wife can attest to the rest.
5. Regarding pouring me a frosty one, I'd rather have you offer to open up a can. We'd see who the real man was then. By the way, your wife can still attest to that one, too.

SM

Well I guess now nobody can argue the expression, "Ignorance is bliss."

Get this. This jerkoff posted the following quote on another thread, and now THIS. Unbelievable. "Son, you have anger issues. And you also need to learn to fight better battles. Life is too important." (Stick Man) Stick D!ck, maybe you should be fighting better battles, or better yet, leave the battles to the people who use their brains.