PSA/PDT flowthrough

[fowingman]

Whats the latest and greatest to flow up to Mainline. I've heard some very positive signs that the agreement is close to being signed, and on top of that all the pilots that mainline is going to need in the near to longterm future. anyone heard any thing good... Latest and Greatest?

 

[JohnnyP]

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Just plan like it'll never happen and youll be allright.

 

[G2T]

I just flew with one of the commitee guys, he didn't have anything definate to say, but he sounded pretty optimistic about it and told me I'd be a fool to leave within the next couple of months. Other than that, I hear alot of things, just not many that I believe are worth repeating!

 

[dollacrackho]

i heard only guys that wear their hats all the time will be allowed to flow through. also all your take off briefings must be 5 minutes long.

 

[Quack]

JohnnyP said it...if you sit around and wait for something to happen here you'll be here forever hoping to get to the next level. How do you think those 20 yr. guys feel right now from Florida feel right now sitting on reserve. 20 year regional capt. at PDT sitting reserve, no thank you...look out for yourself don't rely on PDT.

 

[JohnnyP]

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When I say plan like it'll never happen, I dont mean to totally discount the idea. But im not gonna plan the rest of my life/future/whatever it may be, on PDT getting a flowup to mainline. But that being said, of course a little part of me is attempting to think positively about a flow-through and hopes it may become a reality, someday. It wont hurt people to have a little hope, will it? Makes day to day life a tiny bit more stress free. But ill still stick to my original statement, plan like it'll never happen, but at the same time still have a little glimmer of hope.

Speaking of older captains, I just got off a trip with a guy on his retirement flight, and his last two days with the company are going to be sitting reserve. Nice, huh? I think it was by choice, but still. The idea of retireing with a day or two of reserve doesnt have a nice ring to it. I think he's gonna call and get last out, ha. Gool 'ol PDT. Theyll probably call him out for a trip, then extend him. Happy retirement.

 

[sweptback]

Speaking of older captains, I just got off a trip with a guy on his retirement flight, and his last two days with the company are going to be sitting reserve. Nice, huh? I think it was by choice, but still. The idea of retireing with a day or two of reserve doesnt have a nice ring to it. I think he's gonna call and get last out, ha. Gool 'ol PDT. Theyll probably call him out for a trip, then extend him. Happy retirement.

They did that to an ATR guy at ASA. Last trip before retirement he gets extended to DH somewhere to pick an airplane up and fly it back. I think he talked the crew into letting him fly the airplane rather than having to DH on his retirement day.

 

[WSurf]

I just flew with one of the commitee guys, he didn't have anything definate to say, but he sounded pretty optimistic about it and told me I'd be a fool to leave within the next couple of months. Other than that, I hear alot of things, just not many that I believe are worth repeating!

We were suppose to get RJ's from the mainline boys too!! Hopefully this will work out better then the RJ's did. Now I wonder if it will be a straight flowthru or maybe a 3 to 1 ratio! Every 3 off the street, then comes a WO pilot. I think taking everyone straight from the WO's would be too much training to fill spots on both ends plus the cost! Bunch of stuff to be hammered out!
Flowthru would be nice, but remember you control your own destiny!

 

[blzr]

Flowthru would be nice, but remember you control your own destiny!

Not at PDT, or Airways. They be just killin' time till the next BK.

 

[NuGuy]

Whats the latest and greatest to flow up to Mainline. I've heard some very positive signs that the agreement is close to being signed, and on top of that all the pilots that mainline is going to need in the near to longterm future. anyone heard any thing good... Latest and Greatest?

Good lord, they were telling us that flow through was "right around the corner" and "imminent" back in 1996.

I wouldn't buy that snake oil.

Nu

 

[Stuka Luva]

Any flowthrough real or imagined should be straight CEL, that's it. IMHO, if/when USAir has to go to the street for 190 FOs every wholly owned pilot should get a shot B4 street pilots. Who knows though, believe it when I see it like everything else in this industry.

 

[LearLove]

Saying this hurts me more than it hurts you, but now I must turn my back on my former "boys" due to their greed.

That ship has sailed boys.

Too little too late.

The new 2006 mailine senority list is out and VE is the last guy on the list. As far as we (former CEL/MDA guys) are concerned once VE gets called for the 190 US air can go too the street for new hires. Also the updated APL is out and the ghost numbers are gone.

Many former CEL guys have voiced their opinion to our (the mainline) negociating comette based on how you guys treated us in ref too CEL/MDA flowbacks. I bet you can guess as too which way the opinions swung.

Too bad you guys ruined a possible easy shot at mainline over a few fo flowbacks. Of the 100 or so former CEL guys at MDA (now U mainline guys) about 20 of us may have come back.

Too little too late.

 

[G2T]

Many former CEL guys have voiced their opinion to our (the mainline) negociating comette based on how you guys treated us in ref too CEL/MDA flowbacks. I bet you can guess as too which way the opinions swung.

Too bad you guys ruined a possible easy shot at mainline over a few fo flowbacks. Of the 100 or so former CEL guys at MDA (now U mainline guys) about 20 of us may have come back.

Too little too late.

Nice, now that you are a big mainline pilot (which you make very clear in your post) and we're just the express guys fighting for a chance. Things worked out for you on the deal, great, but it's not like most of us had a say in who got to come back or not.

 

[LearLove]

you did have a say and I bet you picked up the phone this past summer and told your reps to "get thoes guys back here right away", am I correct? Yeah thats what I thought. Silence from your mouth, just like 800 of my former "brothers".

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

Saying this hurts me more than it hurts you, but now I must turn my back on my former "boys" due to their greed.

That ship has sailed boys.

Too little too late.

The new 2006 mailine senority list is out and VE is the last guy on the list. As far as we (former CEL/MDA guys) are concerned once VE gets called for the 190 US air can go too the street for new hires. Also the updated APL is out and the ghost numbers are gone.

Many former CEL guys have voiced their opinion to our (the mainline) negociating comette based on how you guys treated us in ref too CEL/MDA flowbacks. I bet you can guess as too which way the opinions swung.

Too bad you guys ruined a possible easy shot at mainline over a few fo flowbacks. Of the 100 or so former CEL guys at MDA (now U mainline guys) about 20 of us may have come back.

Too little too late.

Been a while since I posted... Computer has been broke. Nice to see things haven't changed.

I don't think the U MEC shares your opinion. We are still meeting on the flowthrough and U MEC has acknowledged that the flow DOES exist. The most recent meeting was 3/27. Would they still be moving the process forward if the flow was dead. Nope, they wouldn't.

You may want to get familiar again with the restructuring agreement PDT agreed to. It REQUIRES that, as a participating carrier, PDT has a flowthrough to mainline. So despite your sour grapes attitude, we will be there eventually, albeit behind the MDA CEL guys... Which is absolutely fair, IMHO.

 

[blzr]

looks like the W/O pilots are in a good (?) position. With things the way they are, no furloughs for now and if the new Airways gets stronger, maybe some growth.

Would have been hard not to go to MDA if given the chance, but look where you would have been had you gone there.

 

[G2T]

you did have a say and I bet you picked up the phone this past summer and told your reps to "get thoes guys back here right away", am I correct? Yeah thats what I thought. Silence from our mouth, just like 800 of my former "brothers".

You don't know what I did or who I talked to. The fact is communication on the deal was piss poor all around. The news we heard about decisions almost always came after they were done. And if you did talk to a rep it was like asking him what the powerball numbers for next week were going to be. I'm just saying it sure is a lot easier to "turn your back on your brothers" now that the 190's are waiting for you.

 

[LearLove]

yeah the 3/27 meeting....

I hear the U guys just love how the PDT guys are signing their letters.

At this point we'd rather give a flowthru to GJ guys before PDT ever sees one.

 

[OPECJet]

Ah yes... Its that season again for the PDT/PSA flow through thread.

As stated before, if AAA was going to pull the plug, why are the committees still talking?

 

[LearLove]

As stated before, if AAA was going to pull the plug, why are the committees still talking?

because you guys keep pestering and calling and won't leave them alone.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

yeah the 3/27 meeting....

I hear the U guys just love how the PDT guys are signing their letters.

At this point we'd rather give a flowthru to GJ guys before PDT ever sees one.

A GJ guy? That tells me all I need to know about your character.

Does this mean you won't be buying the first round when we fly together at U?

 

[LearLove]

my character is just fine its your backstabbing, greedy character I'd be worried about.

 

[LearLove]

in all honesty what makes you think mainline is interested in flow thru with you guys? You have nothing to offer, have offered nothing in the past and have shown that when your side of the obligation comes at you you hide behind small tech thing like a signiture on a piece of paper, further showing your unreliable wrt making any sort of deal.

 

[LowlyPropCapt]

my character is just fine its your backstabbing, greedy character I'd be worried about.

Ok...

You don't know me. I am neither greedy or backstabbing. I did nothing to you, nor any of your newly mainlined compatriots. As a matter of fact, I think I said that it was good that you would go senior to all of the WO guys currently at PDT/PSA. Wasn't that good enough for you?

The fact is, you have no idea what is happening in negotiations. None of us do outside of what the union tells us. Don't give me any of that "I had lunch with the committee chairman's best freind and he said...." crap. It is all BS until the stuff is in black and white, which our flowthrough is, so get over it.

 

[olympus593]

you hide behind small tech thing like a signiture on a piece of paper

Lear, that not hiding the flowback agrement was never signed, can you understand that???

The flow up however was signed and is enforcable, that you like it or not.

Also the flowback would have gone back to theirs respective airlines " IN YOUR CASE ALG" But ALG does not exist anymore and you never went thru the transition training. Why don't you call the ALG MEC Chairman I'm sure he will get you a flowback at the back of the unemplowment line.

When the merger went thru ALG had 18 airplanes and 150 pilot if you guy's didn't go to MDA you would had 250 pilot and been overstaff by 100, in that case the DOH merger would have never gone thru.

I see that you went to REP as a J4J, weren't screaming how the J4J was unfair back in the days???

Well anyway you got a pretty big attitude for a RJ pilot making 35$/H (MDA rates) you going to fit just fine at REP.

And for your info the flowthru is not going to be canceled because you don't like it.

 

[WSurf]

This is too funny!!!! Honey, Make me a Jack and Coke!!!! And Lowly on a nice note.... Had my girl!!!! 8 pounds and 4 ounces!!!!!

 

[LearLove]

ok olympus lets look at it this way.....

ask any guy off the street no involved in this. Tell them we flowed up but are not allowed to flow down besause of that part of the document not being signed. (maybe even toss in your other excuse about ALG not being around anymore) and see what kind of answer you get. I'm betting he or she is going to call BS on your part.

Fine you want to play based on small technical things in the orginal agreement we can play that game too......

1. In the original flow agreement you had to bid to MDA or bid to bypass MDA in order to get to mainline. If MDA no longer exists and you can't bid to go to or bypass something that no longer exists then how are you supposed to get to mainline? Weak and backhanded (backstabbing in our case/language) aguement - yes I do believe, but just as weak and backhanded as your arguement about the flowback part not being signed.

Just let me know and I'll let my MEC negociating commette know that I'd like the above arguement brought up at your next "joint meeting"

2. another weak arguement however no more mature than you now famous "the flowback page wasn't signed" BS. If the flowback was part of the whole agreement and the whole agreement and that part wan't signed, can't we say that the entire agreement wasn't complete? If the entire agreement wasn't complete then how could we ever offer you guys flow up? We would never want to put you guys in a postion down the road that may leave you careers hanging. If the agreement wasn't signed in full (everypage) then it never really existed. Tell me how you are you guys going to get flow up based on a document that never existed.

Again let me know if you want me to inform my MEC about this.

See, what goes around comes around. You guys started it, wanted your cake and to eat it too. You want to play that game, we can play it too.

 

[Sig]

Please step away from the sauce. Put the little girl down, that's it... now please step away from the sauce. Slowly turn around, walk toward my voice, and slowly SLOWLY put your hands

on your ankles.

Flow through a go-go! I'm over ya, Lear. You're the first one on the ignore list! Too bad it can't work in the crew room, or on the street...

 

[olympus593]

ok olympus let look at it this way.....


Fine you want to play based on small technical things in the orginal agreement we can play that game too......

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What game are you going to play? Tell the AAA or should I say HP MEC chairman that our signed and enforcable agreement does not stand because the flow back was never signed? Should I forward you a copy? What would a judge think?

The flowthru was signed 1 way only, what do you want me to tell you???

 

[Sig]

AWESOME! It worked! And so swirls the blue goo... adios booshdag!